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Offline SJB

Faith of Desire
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2014, 11:10:28 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus
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Ladislaus, heretics ARE baptized, so BOD is not even an issue.


I'm referring to the Faith of Desire, that by some vague good intentions, sincerity, or right conscience, the lack of faith can be supplied (something which heretics do not have).

That's why I entitled this thread Faith of Desire, not Baptism of Desire.


Those truly following the natural law and following a right conscience will be led to the Faith by HIS light. This certainly isn't the result of some "vague good intentions."

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Offline Ladislaus

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Faith of Desire
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2014, 01:51:41 PM »
We've gone through this before, SJB.  You claim that only Catholics with supernatural faith can be saved, but your concept of supernatural faith can be along the "Anonymous Christian" lines, whereby it's a purely infused virtue that they're not even aware of.  In order to be saved, you need to be conscious of accepting the Catholic faith, at least in its bare material minimum.  There's no such thing as a PURELY FORMAL faith without any supernatural material content.  That's the very definition of subjectivism.
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Offline SJB

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« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2014, 02:18:39 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus
We've gone through this before, SJB.  You claim that only Catholics with supernatural faith can be saved, but your concept of supernatural faith can be along the "Anonymous Christian" lines, whereby it's a purely infused virtue that they're not even aware of.  In order to be saved, you need to be conscious of accepting the Catholic faith, at least in its bare material minimum.  There's no such thing as a PURELY FORMAL faith without any supernatural material content.  That's the very definition of subjectivism.


You need to accept all that has been proposed to you, which at a minimum, is the four articles we've previously discussed. There is a minority opinion that says only the first two are required, and this is not condemned.

The problem is that you cannot accept these facts.
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