Author Topic: Faith of Desire (Read 5234 times)

crossbro · « **Reply #30 on:** January 27, 2014, 11:37:06 AM »

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Let me save you some time Ladislaus: I say now, have always said, and will always say that there is no salvation outside the Church. Non-Catholics cannot be saved.

It is even more twisted to claim you believe that there is no salvation outside the Church and that Non Catholics cannot be saved and then say these Non Catholics are in fact members of the Church, somehow, through INVISIBLY ties.

So we have that these good willed people, members of false religions ("through not fault of their own????"), are actually Catholic, they just don't know it. The nerve! This is a diabolical lie! :really-mad2:

Some people truly are ignorant and not of bad will unless it is pride that keeps them ignorant I guess.

By definition, non-believers and believers of false religions cannot be good willed.

Truly ignorant is not the same as invincibly ignorant.

Cantarella · « **Reply #31 on:** January 27, 2014, 11:38:39 AM »

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By definition, non-believers and believers of false religions cannot be good willed.

Good point.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #32 on:** January 27, 2014, 11:40:24 AM »

Which dictionary do you get your definition from? It is impossible not to be aware of certain truths through no fault of your own?

What is your definition of truly ignorant?

What is your definition of invincibly ignorant?

crossbro · « **Reply #33 on:** January 27, 2014, 11:47:27 AM »

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Which dictionary do you get your definition from? It is impossible not to be aware of certain truths through no fault of your own?

What is your definition of truly ignorant?

What is your definition of invincibly ignorant?

Some people believe that invincibly ignorant equates to being stubborn.

To me saying that invincible ignorance exists is to deny the omnipotence of God.

After all, it is scripture that it is God who chooses us and not we who choose God.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #34 on:** January 27, 2014, 11:52:33 AM »

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Which dictionary do you get your definition from? It is impossible not to be aware of certain truths through no fault of your own?

What is your definition of truly ignorant?

What is your definition of invincibly ignorant?

Some people believe that invincibly ignorant equates to being stubborn.

To me saying that invincible ignorance exists is to deny the omnipotence of God.

After all, it is scripture that it is God who chooses us and not we who choose God.

I do not mean this sarcastically but I am interested in the actual definition of invincible ignorance as opposed to what some people think.

I believe I fully understand your point. If people are ignorant they deserve to be be otherwise God would not let them stay ignorant. Correct?