Author Topic: Faith of Desire (Read 5219 times)

SJB · « **Reply #50 on:** January 28, 2014, 09:15:51 AM »

Quote from: The Penny Catechism

Jesus's instructions to the 12 were to 'Go ye into the whole world and preach the gospel...he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved..." Mk 16:15,16.

Yes, but you are not one of the twelve or a sucessor to the twelve. You are certainly required to provide witness to the Faith, yet it isn't required at all times and in all situations that you directly attempt to convert others.

The Penny Catechism · « **Reply #51 on:** January 28, 2014, 09:54:50 AM »

Lol, obviously.

Maybe you are better than I at converting others, but I personally suck at it.

For me, for the longest time, I have been able to amalgamate worldly success and trying to please God. I've had, for the longest time had to deal with a lot of internal contradictions. For example, human glory or more specifically wanting the esteem of others who were heathens and making money were a major motivator of why I would get up in the morning. So I could be literally trying to be cool and be submersed in pop-culture enjoying the company of friends and totally ignoring their eternal state of soul. Essentially a natural life which was the point of my first post.

In gaining material stuff in the past, I had lost my perspective that this life is one of exile and that the supernatural life, the life of spirit if of prime importance; nay it is THE great reality... one of looking at life more as a waiting room into eternity and re-shaping my purpose in this life to recognize Christ as totally necessary to me in how I live and to believe firmly and without question what He has revealed about His Faith and His Church...

So yes, I agree that context and each person's individual situation may change what you will do when the time arises. However, with legislative sin, Christians having little say anywhere, and Christ being denied in public, it is so EASY TO DO NOTHING, that for me, I have to actually fight myself not to go along with the crowd.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #52 on:** January 28, 2014, 10:10:15 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Ladislaus, heretics ARE baptized, so BOD is not even an issue.

I'm referring to the Faith of Desire, that by some vague good intentions, sincerity, or right conscience, the lack of faith can be supplied (something which heretics do not have).

That's why I entitled this thread Faith of Desire, not Baptism of Desire.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #53 on:** January 28, 2014, 10:14:26 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: SJB
Ladislaus, heretics ARE baptized, so BOD is not even an issue.

I'm referring to the Faith of Desire, that by some vague good intentions, sincerity, or right conscience, the lack of faith can be supplied (something which heretics do not have).

That's why I entitled this thread Faith of Desire, not Baptism of Desire.

The good intentions are real. Again. Faith is not supplied by BOD. One must have a supernatural Faith based upon Divine Revelation for BOD to be possible.

SJB · « **Reply #54 on:** January 28, 2014, 10:15:41 AM »

One must provide for his family, if that's his state in life. Nothing wrong with being successful there and there's no reason why one cannot do this without sinning in the process.

Also, I wasn't suggesting I'm good at converting others, but I do realize I can't do much other than provide witness to the Faith at times. The sad truth is that many today simply respect your convictions merely because they are convictions. They like to occasionaly see people with strong beliefs, but seem uninterested in the beliefs themselves.