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LadislausOh, I don't think there's any doubt that he would condemn someone who was trying to "prosletyze" (aka convert).
What is this New Evangelization, promoted esepcially by John Paul II? Well, it's where the old actual Catholic evangelization converges with Religious Liberty and the New Ecclessiology. Prosletyzing is therefore wrong, and there's no such thing as a binary conversion from someone who was outside the Church to someone who's now inside the Church, but rather it's drawing people who are already in the Church closer to the "fullness" of truth.
I start to see how contradictive V2 is...
Asking to convert allowing for non a binary choice it's like aspiring to make a woman
somewhat pregnant.
While falling in love and getting married can take time, the act of procreation is binary.
Apologies for my crude reply but I am very new to these problems and, the more your (my) community explains and teaches, the more I feel that some of the teaching of our Church governance are simply ridiculous and incoherent.
One member rebuked me in an earlier thread: either one is in full communion or one is not in communion at all. One cannot be
somewhat in communion!
Frequenting this community makes it clear to me, every day more, that there are some serious wakos in Rome...
John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio,
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For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation.
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For this reason the Council, after affirming the centrality of the Paschal Mystery, went on to declare that "this applies not only to Christians but to all people of good will in whose hearts grace is secretly at work. Since Christ died for everyone, and since the ultimate calling of each of us comes from God and is therefore a universal one, we are obliged to hold that the Holy Spirit offers everyone the possibility of sharing in this Paschal Mystery in a manner known to God."
This is in contradiction with the three dogmas cited earlier in this thread.
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ByzCat3000I guess I just see such a big difference between the *way* Archbishop Lefebvre conveyed this kind of idea, and the way JPII conveys it. it also shows, in terms of their actions, their attitude toward society, ecuмenism, and religious liberty. Maybe its not technically consistent, I'm not sure. But there seems to be a big attitudinal gap there
ByzCat, if this community posted true evidence and accurate quotes of dogmas, then this is not an attitudinal gap, this is heresy. Simple and plain.
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AnyonePlease, anyone, correct me. If a dogma affirms that something
black, than a later statemt that affirms that it is a shade of
gray is heresy. Am I wrong?