Author Topic: Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus (Read 22155 times)

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #50 on:** September 02, 2009, 10:32:17 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Lover of Truth

Scripture is infallible. Scripture says Jesus had brothers. Mary is not ever-virgin.

Scripture says that Abraham and Lot were brothers...but it gives geneology in book as well, clearly Lot and Abraham.....the meaning "brothers" is different in that culture at that time then our meaning.....it is Catholic dogma taht Mary was a Virgin before, during and after Christ birth....perpetually......

I have a saying that, barring new convents that still are having some issues understanding Mary- never trust a Catholic that does not have a love of Mary

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #51 on:** September 02, 2009, 10:35:44 AM »

Regarding perpetual virginity of Mary ever-virgin I was merely pointing out how people come to erreneous conclusions when taking quotes out of context:

The heretical protestants say "Jesus had brothers" therefore Mary had children.

The heretical feeneyites say; "No Salvation Outside the Church" therefore no one who has not been baptized can be saved.

Jehanne · « **Reply #52 on:** September 02, 2009, 10:53:54 AM »

I am coming to this discussion really, really late; however, I have read some of the posts in this thread. Just a quick clarification, "Did not Saint Thomas teach that explicit faith was necessary for salvation after Christ's coming, that is, certain truths of the Catholic faith and Christ's divinity and attonement needed to be believed explicitly in order for a person to be saved, which is why Christian baptism was necessary for an infant's salvation?"

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #53 on:** September 02, 2009, 10:56:00 AM »

I want to see if Catholic Martyr has the integrity to admit when he is wrong or to grant a legitimate point if not we must suppose he has been so loud and proud about his heresy that he would be to embarrest to concede the point.

I read somewhere that someone said BOB/D is not any Catechisms. I believe Catholic Martyr said this though I could be wrong.

Catholic Martyr - do you concede the fact that BOB/D is taught in approved Catholic Catechisms not directed towards the kiddies?

Do you admit that if the Church cannonized someone they believed was not baptized with water that they must believe in BOB/D?

If you answer either of the above questions incorrectly then we know what we are dealing with and we can only hope to convert those with humility and a sincere heart.

Belloc · « **Reply #54 on:** September 02, 2009, 11:43:23 AM »

Pope Eugene IV says otherwise, yet you heretics want to believe Catechisms over Infallible Papal pronouncments.

"...all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Catholic Church before the end of their lives

Question-what happens if the heresy has gone on for so long the people do not know they are outside the Church and are heretical....Eugene and otehrs were speaking I beleive about those who willfully put themselves outside or know better and refuse to act....again, we cannto just copy/paste statements without knowing how to apply the rules