Just stick with the facts my man , and you ll be all right.  Needant attack the messenger , if you can t accept the message

What in the last is "Heretical",,,  Point it out ,, Text and verse ...

Quote from: Ambrose

I have no doubt that the Dimond's book will be on the Index when we have a Pope again.  It should be tossed onto the Flames.

Your should just be thankful if you're not burned at the stake.

Yes, maybe by heretics, but I do not fear Catholics.

Someone who believes in BOD calls someone who doesn't believe in BOD a heretic. Then someone who doesn't believe in BOD calls someone who believes in BOD a heretic. Repeat a thousand times. Yawn.

I think it harms the discussions about BOD when both sides just scream heretic instead of having a conversation. This is the one issue we seem to not be able to talk about without calling names.

Quote from: Ambrose

I have no doubt that the Dimond's book will be on the Index when we have a Pope again.  It should be tossed onto the Flames.

Your should just be thankful if you're not burned at the stake.

This is for Ladislaus,,  correct me if I am wrong, but I understand your position is that you hold to Bod for Catechcuмens.  
My follow up question is , if this correct, what pray tell happens to the soul that dies before he receives the water baptism he hoped for .  For me its damnation, since he never enters the Church.  Is that your belief also , or if not , What ?
 
Of course we do have the basic teaching in Trent, for the requirement for Baptism, while still alive , and that is where the word , "Desire" is properly used, as for an adult to give his "Ascent" to the act.  

Is this what you mean when you hold to Bod for Catechumens ?

By presenting the three main points on the history of something called "Baptism of desire/blood," using the Dimonds explanations , (which I totally agree with), to prove and point that no one enters  Heaven without being Sacramentally Baptised.  
Ref, my last ,, "Invinciple Ignorance"
Also we have Canon 5 of the Council of Trent, which cannot be denied under pain of being Anathamaised.
Do respond   Tks

It is because Baptism of Desire opens the door for 'invincible ignorance" and "universal salvation" in which practically any member of a false religion can be saved within an invisible Church. If it was not because of this, nobody would care about it. As I had said before, BOD (which was originally speculated about for catechumens ONLY) has become a soft pillow for those who defend indifferentism and prefer not to proselytize.

Any serious Catholic would feel resentful to see how a "theory" has so many dangerous and heretical implications to our beloved Church. We love Our Church, we love the Truth, and we feel that it is because of concepts such as BOD that the Truth gets distorted in trying to accommodate the necessities of the world and its current misguided sentimentalism. Liberals are even saying that aborted babies are saved through Baptism of Desire.  . At this pace, in the name of "love" the same will apply to sodomites and unrepented prostitutes in no time. They could also be saved through desire alone without final impenitence. It is a dangerous chain that only conducts to spiritual oblivion. Welcome to a protestantized version of Catholicism!

I hope you have a better argument than a slippery slope fallacy!

You do realize that pretty much ALL heresies are perversions of true Catholic teaching?  In other words, every teaching of the Church "opens the door" to heresy.  Of course, none of them actually open such a door if you rely on what the Church teaches and HOW She teaches it.  Which is why, as SJB is wont to point out, those who deny BOD can only quote themselves as an explanation of their position.  No saint, pope or theologian enjoying the approbation of the Church teaches what the contra-BOD clan believes.

Quote from: Matto

And they call you a heretic for not really believing in EENS. So instead of conversing you yell at one another.

I am not yelling at them.  I truly hope for them to abjure and accept the teaching of the Church.  

I have never denied EENS, but they pretend that holding Baptism of Desire, as Catholics must, is a denial of EENS.

This is the core of their heretical belief and a perversion of EENS.  

Since there are so many  different versions  of what those who hold to Bod believe,  would you Ambrose, in your own words define your version...