Author Topic: Effects of the Heresy of Denying Baptism of Desire (Read 35612 times)

Sneakyticks · « **Reply #195 on:** May 13, 2014, 09:51:14 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie
Quote from: Cantarella

Just a mistaken theological opinion...

Can you please provide any Church authority that has ever said this?

No more that you can provide an infallible dogmatic statement that demonstrates that Baptism of Desire is indeed DE FIDE.

Can you?

So if Baptism of Desire has never been a de fide dogma, it automatically follows that St Alphonsus held a mistaken fallible opinion. We learn this because there is a contradiction between the statement said above and the infallible teachings of the Church on Baptism. There is only ONE Baptism for the remission of Sin, and that of water and of the word.

Please ban this pesky and ignorant poster, along with the likes of "andysloan" and Stubborn.

They are just trolls.

The ignorance of Dimondite Feeneyites is just painful to behold.

"Show me where it has been INFALLIBLY defined".

"Show me where it has been DOGMATICALLY DECLARED".

"Infallible" this.

"Infallible" that.

Pack of ignorants!

Stubborn · « **Reply #196 on:** May 14, 2014, 05:53:57 AM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

Nothing is impossible with God. I believe, even more so now, that if a person desires to be baptized, to be Catholic, then God will provide.

.......So if I must accept Baptism of Desire, show me this declaration and I will accept it. Otherwise, I remain convinced in my above stated opinion.

Beautiful CathMomof7, thank you very much for sharing. Your post alone is sufficient proof that those who sincerely desire the sacrament will indeed receive the sacrament - God will provide - always.

Your "two cents" sums up the Doctrine of God's Divine Providence in just a paragraph or two. This is the doctrine that gets explicitly rejected by those who preach salvation via no sacrament at all, which they call "a BOD".

I just skimmed the rest of this thread and as per usual, not one of the NSAAers even acknowledged your awesome post, rather, one of the chief sacrament despisers (who has the gall to call himself "Lover of Truth"), continues to defend the heresy that there is no need for the sacraments at all, and that the Church teaches this heresy.

You (and certainly your dear mother) have received a very great blessing! Deo Gratias!

There is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the skeptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you. - Bread of Life by Fr. Feeney

Stubborn · « **Reply #197 on:** May 14, 2014, 05:57:14 AM »

Quote from: Sneakyticks

Quote from: Cantarella
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie
Quote from: Cantarella

Just a mistaken theological opinion...

Can you please provide any Church authority that has ever said this?

No more that you can provide an infallible dogmatic statement that demonstrates that Baptism of Desire is indeed DE FIDE.

Can you?

So if Baptism of Desire has never been a de fide dogma, it automatically follows that St Alphonsus held a mistaken fallible opinion. We learn this because there is a contradiction between the statement said above and the infallible teachings of the Church on Baptism. There is only ONE Baptism for the remission of Sin, and that of water and of the word.

Please ban this pesky and ignorant poster, along with the likes of "andysloan" and Stubborn.

They are just trolls.

The ignorance of Dimondite Feeneyites is just painful to behold.

"Show me where it has been INFALLIBLY defined".

"Show me where it has been DOGMATICALLY DECLARED".

"Infallible" this.

"Infallible" that.

Pack of ignorants!

Cathedra, why do you despise the necessity of the sacraments for salvation?

hammertojezabel · « **Reply #198 on:** May 14, 2014, 06:50:07 AM »

I would be more interested in ordination by desire to be banned.

How many men in the traditionalist movement found an old traditional bishop to thump them on the head and wave his magic wand?

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #199 on:** May 14, 2014, 07:20:18 AM »

Quote from: hammertojezabel

I would be more interested in ordination by desire to be banned.

How many men in the traditionalist movement found an old traditional bishop to thump them on the head and wave his magic wand?

Baptism and Penance pertain to salvation whereas ordination does not. This is why the Church infallibly teaches that there is a Baptism of Desire and Perfect Contrition, like her Founder she does not insist upon the impossible.

On the other hand a man can be saved whether he be a Priest or not. Therefore, because it does not directly pertain to where one will spend one's eternity, the desire does not have the effect of the Sacrament.