Author Topic: Effects of the Heresy of Denying Baptism of Desire (Read 35702 times)

SJB · « **Reply #35 on:** March 19, 2014, 02:38:47 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

Protestant - style Bible quoting, entirely out of context and from an individual interpretation point, provide little contribution to the discussed topic.

As opposed to your Protestant-style Denzinger quoting?

Charlemagne · « **Reply #36 on:** March 19, 2014, 02:44:54 PM »

I wish this topic had its own subforum, for crying out loud. It never ends.

SJB · « **Reply #37 on:** March 19, 2014, 02:50:59 PM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

I wish this topic had its own subforum, for crying out loud. It never ends.

Confining it to a sub-forum would be better than the present. There it could be ignored more easily. The SBC cult currently injects their errors into just about any thread possible.

andysloan · « **Reply #38 on:** March 19, 2014, 02:54:53 PM »

Ladislaus said:

Notice that justification FOLLOWS these predispositions, and the dispositions to not themselves justify. Notice also that the "resolve to receive Baptism" comes BEFORE justification and therefore does not in itself justify.

There is no issue here. Baptism confers the Catholic faith, else if the individual had it before, he could be saved according to EENS. But where water baptism is unobtainable, say for a primitive in his virgin forest or a dying man, the desire is sufficient.

Trent affirms BOD:

Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, Session 6, Chapter 4, ex cathedra: "In these words there is suggested a description of the justification of the impious, how there is a transition from that state in which a person is born as a child of the first Adam to the state of grace and of adoption as sons of God through the second Adam, Jesus Christ our savior; indeed, this transition, once the gospel has been promulgated, cannot take place without the laver of regeneration or a desire for it, as it is written: Unless a man is born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God (John 3:5)."

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Stubborn · « **Reply #39 on:** March 19, 2014, 03:41:45 PM »

Andy,
Are you able to do the strictly Catholic thing and start a thread championing the necessity of the sacraments unto salvation - or will you admit that for you to do such a thing is absolutely impossible because you do not believe any sacraments at all are a necessity unto salvation?

I ask because in over 3 months of asking, there is not one single solitary BODer who has accepted this challenge - nor are any of them honest enough to admit they cannot bring themselves to do such a thing - are you going to be honest?

Quote from: Stubborn

Post challenge?

I am of the opinion that you and the other BODers will remain obstinately attached to your error for as long as you continue with your lex orandi, which is to mock and despise the necessity of the sacraments and the Church for the hope of salvation. As long as you keep repeating the same error, the error will remain the way you believe, the error is your lex credendi.

NOTE:
If you do not believe me, if you think I'm wrong, if you want to get it off your chest and really prove and expose to everyone exactly how ignorant of a person I really am, then please prove me completely wrong by starting and participating in a thread in which you do the strictly Catholic thing and actually defend the necessity of the sacraments for the hope of salvation.

I maintain that SJB or Ambrose or any BODer who clings to the belief that salvation without the sacrament is possible, will be both unwilling and unable to get themselves to even think of doing such a thing much less actually do it - it is not just *not* a part of a BODers lex credendi, doing such a thing is actually opposed to a BODers lex credendi.

This is the easiest way I can think of for you and other BODers to discover for yourselves and on your own that you cannot do the Catholic and outwardly defend, that which you inwardly deeply despise.

I've asked this of BODers 5 or 6 times now and so far, not even one of them has even acknowledged the challenge, but new threads trivializing the necessity of the sacraments are started by a BODers regularly.

It is just not a part of a BODer's lex credendi to do the Catholic thing and defend the necessity of the sacraments for the hope of salvation.