Author Topic: Effects of the Heresy of Denying Baptism of Desire (Read 34006 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #210 on:** May 14, 2014, 12:29:49 PM »

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I don't claim it impossible ...

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Baptism and Penance pertain to salvation whereas ordination does not. This is why the Church infallibly teaches that there is a Baptism of Desire and Perfect Contrition, like her Founder she does not insist upon the impossible.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #211 on:** May 14, 2014, 12:32:41 PM »

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Is it or is it not true, LoT, that in cases of BoD (conceding for a moment that this exists) God wills that the person should not receive the Sacrament of Baptism but that the person should be saved via BoD.

Why would God will that someone should be saved via BoD?

... now that we've dispensed with this "impossibility" nonsense.

Please answer this. We needn't digress into spamming articles which dredge up every single argument regarding BoD. Let's stick to the matter at hand.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #212 on:** May 14, 2014, 02:40:33 PM »

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I don't claim it impossible ...

from earlier

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Baptism and Penance pertain to salvation whereas ordination does not. This is why the Church infallibly teaches that there is a Baptism of Desire and Perfect Contrition, like her Founder she does not insist upon the impossible.

She does not insist that a person get baptized when it is impossible for that person to do so. Nor for one to go to Confession when it is impossible for them to do so. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #213 on:** May 14, 2014, 02:42:15 PM »

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Is it or is it not true, LoT, that in cases of BoD (conceding for a moment that this exists) God wills that the person should not receive the Sacrament of Baptism but that the person should be saved via BoD.

Why would God will that someone should be saved via BoD?

... now that we've dispensed with this "impossibility" nonsense.

Please answer this. We needn't digress into spamming articles which dredge up every single argument regarding BoD. Let's stick to the matter at hand.

Do you agree that God has a positive will and a permissive will (a will that allows that which He does not directly intend)? I probably could have worded that better but I believe you will understand the question.

For instance God does not will abortion but allows it.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #214 on:** May 14, 2014, 02:45:02 PM »

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Is it or is it not true, LoT, that in cases of BoD (conceding for a moment that this exists) God wills that the person should not receive the Sacrament of Baptism but that the person should be saved via BoD.

Why would God will that someone should be saved via BoD?

... now that we've dispensed with this "impossibility" nonsense.

Please answer this. We needn't digress into spamming articles which dredge up every single argument regarding BoD. Let's stick to the matter at hand.

Do you agree that God has a positive will and a permissive will (a will that allows that which He does not directly intend)? I probably could have worded that better but I believe you will understand the question.

For instance God does not will abortion but allows it.

Bottom line He wills all be saved and does not damn anyone on a technicality. Those who are aware that sacramental baptism is necessary and purposely avoid it are obviously damned. Those who are not inculpably ignorant that the Catholic Church is the only Church in which one can be saved but refuse to enter or take the steps necessary for entering are damned.