Author Topic: Effects of the Heresy of Denying Baptism of Desire (Read 35629 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #130 on:** March 21, 2014, 12:11:03 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Your posting here is unorthodox and you should be banned. Matthew is wrong for allowing you to teach others your errors here.

I "teach" no one; I am in no way part of the Ecclesia Docens.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #131 on:** March 21, 2014, 12:19:38 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Your posting here is unorthodox and you should be banned. Matthew is wrong for allowing you to teach others your errors here.

How astonishing that posting the Faith of the Fathers has now become "unorthodox". You would condemn St. Fulgentius as a heretic were he alive today.

Will there be any faith left on earth when Our Lord returns?

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #132 on:** March 21, 2014, 12:38:49 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie
It would be a logical fallacy to apply this to the topic of the thread, Baptism of Desire, as you have done in your example.

No, it applies because he reads it as a BOTH ... AND rather than your (mis)interpreted EITHER ... OR.

As for the other Innocent III quote, see my posts where that's completely discredited.

You are missing the point; The Sacrament of Baptism requires (as does any of the Sacraments) matter and form - in this case water and spoken words. Here is the point, the Sacrament of Baptism AND Baptism of Desire are two different things, one is a Sacrament, the other is not. The requirements for a Sacrament, matter and form, do not apply to Baptism of Desire (although, speculatively, in the case of Baptism of Desire, perfect contrition and an untimely death might appear as prerequisites).

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #133 on:** March 21, 2014, 12:50:25 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: SJB
Your posting here is unorthodox and you should be banned. Matthew is wrong for allowing you to teach others your errors here.

How astonishing that posting the Faith of the Fathers has now become "unorthodox". You would condemn St. Fulgentius as a heretic were he alive today.

Will there be any faith left on earth when Our Lord returns?

In my opinion, I agree with SJB; The methods you employ are unorthodox, and you condemn others for not agreeing with your own opinions. You have provided no indication that you are authorized in any way to provide commentary of Church teaching. Your revelations are private, and in no way binding on others. I personally find your comments rude and condescending, you lack charity, and if you should be banned by Matthew, I would enjoy the fellowship here significantly more.

Cantarella · « **Reply #134 on:** March 21, 2014, 01:02:35 PM »

Baptism of "Desire" does not remit Original Sin. One of the graces of the Sacrament of Baptism is the remission of Original Sin. No soul in Heaven is stained with Sin, Original or actual. If Baptism of Desire is not the real Sacrament as BODers concede, then what it is?

The Sacrament of Baptism provides the mark placed upon the soul which actually give it a share in the Divine nature and royal priesthood of Christ Our Lord. Baptism makes us part of the Church, of the mystical Body of Christ. The desire for Baptism simply cannot provide this. See the infallible teaching below:

Pope Pius XII
By the waters of Baptism, by the general title of Christian they are made members of the Mystical Body of Christ, the priest, and by the "character" as it were, imprinted upon their souls, they are assigned to divine worship; and so they participate in the priesthood of Christ himself, according to their condition...

There is only ONE Baptism for the remission of sins. The Church solemnly condemns those who turn water into a metaphor.

Pope Pius IX
Let us hold most firmly that our Catholic doctrine, there is ONE GOD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM. To try and inquire further in unlawful.