Do you also love how you accuse others of error and being at odds with Catholic theology?

I have no problem calling you out for Pelagianism, since that it precisely what you're promoting with your posts.  Whether or not you are a formal heretic is between you and God, and I in fact presume that you are not; nevertheless, the objective truth is clear, and I am not going to let your heretical statements go unchallenged.

Well, he would argue that his phrase "provided there are no obstacles" is similar to what you would call "God's foreknowledge that graces would be wasted".

No, that's not what he was saying and not how he was using the phrase ... which is why we're arguing.  He's using this as a premise to demonstrate the possibility of BoD.  #1) the premise is incorrect, and #2) as I indicated in the last post, there's a logical leap to conclude from this premise that there must be BoD.

Laddy, you should stop telling me what I believe, or what I have forgotten. I haven't said, and you don't know.

I have no problem calling you out for Pelagianism, since that it precisely what you're promoting with your posts.  Whether or not you are a formal heretic is between you and God, and I in fact presume that you are not; nevertheless, the objective truth is clear, and I am not going to let your heretical statements go unchallenged.

Oh really?
Pope Pius IX wrote in "Quanto conficiamur moerore" (1863)

7. Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9quanto.htm
I guess Pope Pius IX was a Pelagian and a heretic, according to some rascal on the internet.

Food for thought:

It is not allowed to affirm that Confucius was saved. Christians, when interrogated, must answer that those who die as infidels are damned.

- Sacred Congregation of the Propagation of the Faith, 1907

Pope Pius IX wrote in "Quanto conficiamur moerore" (1863)https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9quanto.htm

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7. Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.

I am not sure what it is you are quoting QCM about here, but I think perhaps you should place the emphasis on the part I bolded. When understood in context, the bolded part agrees with the italicized, otherwise the whole quote will be understood as being self contradictory.

In bold, the pope is teaching that there is no salvation outside of the Church, he goes onto to speak of those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our holy religion.

He is saying those who are ignorant as regards the true faith and Church, but are struggling to find out as they strive to live virtuously, WILL come to the knowledge of the truth via the divine light. After that, they must cooperate with grace, and if they do that and choose to enter into the Church, are then ABLE TO (not will) attain eternal life.

That is the purpose of "the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace", it is to lead them into the Church, lest they "arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity, which belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching".

Ah, here we go again, a staunch BoDer emotionally invested in his position trying to make Pius IX into a Pelagian by misinterpreting his teaching.  There's no arguing with the likes of Stanley N ... since he's dead set on having non-Catholics be saved.  Nothing will convince him that there's no salvation outside the Church.  You can tell when you have someone who has already arrived at that conclusion and has become emotionally invested in it, and will try to stat spamming in one justification after another as each is successively debunked.

LOL.
Projection much, laddy?

I know you go by "stubborn", but please reread the quoted paragraph from Pius IX. If the Pope wanted to say your interpretation, he could have said so quite clearly. On the other hand, what he actually said is rather like a BOD formulation.

No YOU re-read it, but in context.

Right before your italicized text, the pope says what you are attempting to do, which is to believe that it is "possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity", which he literally says is a belief which "is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching".

You likely missed that part, which is why I put emphasis on it with bold text thinking you couldn't miss it.

Further, immediately after your italicized text, the pope goes on to say:

8. "Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom "the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior".

In order for you to understand it as you apparently do, you have to take the text you italicized completely and totally out of context. You have to completely ignore as if never written at all, everything that he says immediately before and immediately after the text you italicized. You managed to take what is talking about, namely, that there is no salvation outside of the Church, and turned it into an altogether meaningless formula.

Now the only question I have for you is, why do you do that rather than simply understanding it in the context he taught it?

We have explained the Pius IX quote 50 times already.  I grow weary of the nonsense.  Stanley decides to interpret it to mean that no explicit belief is required for salvation ... against Catholic doctrine.  Pius IX simply says that the invincibly ignorant will 1) not be punished for the sin of infidelity ... as per St. Thomas and 2) will be led by divine LIGHT and grace ultimately to their salvation ... if they place no obstacles in the way.  Ignorance is not salvific, but merely exculpatory.  To make lack of actual sin = salvation is nothing other than pure Pelagianism.

Nonsense. I said nothing of the sort. You keep putting words in my mouth that I did not say.
Why would you do that Laddy?

Why do you "discuss" using insults? Why do you reject Catholic theologians?

Ah, but this seems to be the way of the self-proclaimed "trad" layperson "theologian".

May God have mercy on you.