Funny, you guys keep saying this stuff, and granted I haven't read every post on this board, but have never seen it said as you keep saying.

The only people saying this stuff is  YOUR POPE.  

If you only knew how foolish you all look when you keep on accusing but always look the other way when it comes to YOUR POPE saying exactly that.  I am beginning to think you are all brain washed.  

Myrna is oh so very right here!  Pope Francis is the one saying that atheists can go to Heaven and that he doesn't believe in a Catholic God.  

The Novus Ordo, at the very core (i.e., in the actual docuмents of Vatican II) has renounced EENS.  

He cannot have God for his Father who has not the Church for his mother.- St. Cyprian

There is absolutely no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church. - Pope Innocent III

And on and on and on and on the Church teaches that unless before the close of their lives they shall have entered into the Church, they can never be partakers of eternal life, but are to go into the eternal fire 'prepared for the devil, and his angels. - Pope Eugene IV


Such a dogmatic statement is EENS that "it is the most certain knowledge that men have, more certain than metaphysical principles, or mathematical formulas, or historical accounts. It is the revelation and proposition of God Himself.

The dogma EENS rules out the possibility of simple invincible ignorance concerning the matter of salvation; those who die in ignorance of the Church as the only course of salvific grace must be adjudged to have been culpably so. In a word, they did not know because they did not want to know." - Fr. Wathen

The Popes cannot win with the libs - either they preach lies and give hope to those outside the Church, which the libs denounce as being wrong - or the popes destroy all hope of salvation outside the Church and the libs say the popes don't really mean it.

Ever heard the saying: "Good people don't make it to heaven, God's people do."

Quote from: Cantarella

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I pray someday you will stop listening to organizations like The Saint Benedict Center, Dimond Bros, and Fr. Feeney writings and begin to believe in the doctrine of No Salvation Outside the Church as the Church teaches it.

Here's a  quotes for you... "You will be judged as you judge"

Please do not be too unforgiving of Saint Benedict Center, which has been fighting Modernism way before Vatican II, the SSPX, the CMRI....

In truth, I only base my opinion about Saint Benedict Center, because the people who boast about It, I've noticed have a poor opinion of sedevantism, yet they are all sedevacantist but don't have the back bone to say it.  

In truth again, prior to VII, SSPX and CMRI the true popes have said plenty against the sin of Modernism.  

It is unfortunate that most people put in the same level the authentic "feeneyites" with the Dimond Brothers and those alike. Here is something I wrote to Nishant in another thread:

I don't know how familiar are you with the real "feeneyites", this is the Saint Benedict Center in NH. It seems that your version of "feeneyites" comes more from the Dimond Brothers and those alike, which propaganda tend to be more appealing to wounded souls fueled with anger and resentment, instead of a sincere zeal for souls. It is unfortunate that people always associate followers of Fr. feeney with such a bizarre group. But this is the official position of the Saint Benedict Center, the genuine and real "feeneyites"as far as BOD and BOB (which are not infallible) is concerned:

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"Without contradicting the thrice defined Dogma, “No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church”, and the infallible teaching of the Council of Trent, how can one define the expression baptism of desire?

Answer:  The following definition of baptism of desire can be made which will be totally consistent with the infallible teaching of the Council of Trent and with the thrice defined dogma of “No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church”. This definition of baptism of desire goes as follows:

In its proper meaning, this consists of an act of perfect contrition or perfect love [that is Charity, which necessarily implies that one has the True Faith], and the simultaneous desire for baptism. It does not imprint an indelible character on the soul and the obligation to receive Baptism by water remains".
 

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Baptism of Blood only could apply to catechumens who have and professes the Faith in Christ and His Church. A person who is ignorant of Christ and His Church (whether culpably or not) cannot possibly receive BOB, since an open confession of the true Faith and of the true Church is indispensable for martyrdom.
 

"Feeneyites" are actively working towards the salvation of souls and the evangelization, or better said, re - evangelization of America. We have a VERY active apostolate which focuses on:

1. The propagation and defense of Catholic dogma — especially extra ecclesiam nulla salus and

2. The conversion of America to the one, true Church.

There have been many conversions, and as a matter of fact, a community of more than 300 souls has been formed and being expanded in NH. Hopefully, more communities are formed throughout the country. Things are not as easy in this country to just go and "water" baptized souls around. It is a process. We are busy trying to spread the Faith by improving techniques of massive media communication so more souls can be reached, instead of complaining unceasingly and bitterly about Vatican II, which is what most traditionalists do. We know that the real issue is the denial of EENS, instead of Vatican II. Therefore Saint Benedict Center (and the genuine feeneyite communities) have canonical status and are in full communion with Rome. Why would the Church do that if "feeneyites" were indeed heretics? Canonical status was granted by the Church without the need of watering down our strict interpretation of EENS.  

In its proper meaning, this consists of an act of perfect contrition or perfect love [that is Charity, which necessarily implies that one has the True Faith], and the simultaneous desire for baptism. It does not imprint an indelible character on the soul and the obligation to receive Baptism by water remains".

The question becomes, and those of Bod. ,,,

"What happens to the Soul that dies in that position", ?

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In its proper meaning, this consists of an act of perfect contrition or perfect love [that is Charity, which necessarily implies that one has the True Faith], and the simultaneous desire for baptism. It does not imprint an indelible character on the soul and the obligation to receive Baptism by water remains".

The question becomes, and those of Bod. ,,,

"What happens to the Soul that dies in that position", ?

Well...according to Fr. Feeney, it is actually quite irrelevant since only God knows if such a soul exists. The only divine revelation known to us humans is that everybody with no exception, needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church (this is, the Body of Christ) in order to go to Heaven and avoid Hell. One can only become part of the Church through Baptism and in 2014, there is only one known Baptism (that of water and the Ghost).

The last was for Cantarella..

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