Hey guys. I was just wondering if y’all had any resources (catechisms, commentaries, pronouncements from the church, etc) written around the time of Trent that addresses the BOD issue? Ones that address the “good willed pagan” would be nice. Just looking for more “silver bullet” resources. For example we all know the Baltimore Catechism says BOD is a thing even for Protestants or pagans (if I’m not mistaken) I was wondering if there was an earlier catechism or resource closer to Trent that addresses the issue.
To be honest, all anyone has to do is read the docuмents from Trent without adding exceptions or changing their meaning.
Allow me to provide only one example from Trent's Catechism that the promoters of a BOD love to reference as if the catechism not only teaches a BOD, but that it also teaches should one die unexpectedly prior to receiving the sacrament, that their desire for baptism saves them:
Here is one thing they quote ad nausem:
In the Catechism, the heading for this teaching is: Ordinarily They Are Not Baptised At Once
"On adults, however, the Church has not been accustomed to confer the Sacrament of Baptism at once, but has
ordained that it be deferred for a certain time. The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of
infants, which we have already mentioned; should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be
washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past
sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness".
1) Note, as the heading testifies, the Church purposely delays adult baptisms (the next paragraph under the same heading in the catechism delves into the reasons for this delay more thoroughly, you can look it up), not because of a BOD, as the BODers are wont to promote, but because "the delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants". IOW, there is no danger of death.
2) Note that the catechism speaks of an "unforeseen accident", which could mean anything from the priest's house catching fire to the recipient's car breaking down 100 miles from the Church, whatever the case, the ceremony would be postponed making it impossible for the guy to be baptized as planned. What it does *not* say is an "unforeseen death" or an "accidental death", which the BODers make it out to say.
3) Note that it says their desire to receive baptism "will avail" them to "grace and righteousness". Grace and righteousness are those things only those who are living strive for and need, the dead no longer have need for or a chance to gain either, their time for that passed when they died (Remember the first point above is that there is no danger of death).
4) Finally, note that it does *not* say that "they will", "certainly will" or "automatically will" receive grace and righteousness, it says only that their desire "will avail" i.e. "certainly put them in the way" or "certainly put them on the path" of grace and righteousness. The BODers believe and claim it says that the desire itself, will certainly reward them with salvation.
This is only one example, there are many, so all I am saying is that if you read authentic and binding teachings of the Church as written, and pay little or no attention to the fathers and theologians who speculated in some form or another of a BOD, you will have the best of all resources.
Topic: Docuмents around the time of Trent against BOD (Read 575 times)