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Can Protestants be saved, without becoming Catholic, at least in the hour of death?

Yes, they can be saved, as Protestants, provided invincible ignorance excuses them from heresy.
8 (19%)
I'm not sure if they can be saved. I assume they can be and so it's ok to leave them in ignorance.
0 (0%)
I'm not sure if they can be saved. I assume they can't be and thus I pray and work to convert them.
9 (21.4%)
No, Protestants cannot be saved without having become Catholic before death.
23 (54.8%)
Other (please explain).
2 (4.8%)

Total Members Voted: 34

Author Topic: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?  (Read 16616 times)

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Re: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2018, 07:23:17 PM »
There are no writings of Anna Katharina Emmerick. All there is are two dubious books written by the dubious poet and romanticist Clemens Brentano, who interviewed her at length.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2018, 07:35:31 PM »
The answer to this is so obviously no that I cannot understand why you are asking the question.

If it were somehow possible for Protestants to be saved that would also mean that they were Catholic somehow .  They cannot be saved as Protestants .

Exactly.  "No, ..." is the only non-heretical answer.  If they are saved it's only because they've are Catholic.  If there's sufficient invincible ignorance, this means that they are truly Catholic and not Protestant.  Frankly, I'm shocked that anyone could answer anything other than the "No, ..." option.  This shows how deeply polluted so many people's thinking has become regarding the EENS issue.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2018, 07:36:49 PM »
Hi, Jayne. No, I believe you are mistaken. I am asking whether Protestants who do not receive the Body and Blood of the Lord can be saved?

Then you need to reformulate your poll.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2018, 07:40:39 PM »
Xavier:
I certainly don't believe this.  I don't care what "Fr. Mueller" says, (whoever he may be).  How we, on this side of eternity, can make these glib assumptions is beyond me.  Anne Catherine Emmerich, the renowned German seer, testifies that she saw Protestant souls in Purgatory.
You say "a moral impossibility, on par with someone being raised from the dead?"  Really?  And just who the heck are you, Xavier, to say such a thing?  Sorry, no sale.

Glib assumptions?  That's Catholic dogma.  So you'll take the alleged visions of one Anne Catherine Emmerich over the teaching of the Magisterium.  It's Catholic dogma that Protestants cannot be saved.  It's obvious that you don't care what Father Mueller says, nor do you care what the Church teaches.  You have your own opinion and you're sticking with it regardless ... the essence of heresy.

Given this outburst of yours, it's clear that you lack Catholic faith.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2018, 07:42:59 PM »
A baptised Protestant child under the age of 7 most likely would be saved. Through Baptism we are joined with the Church(and even Baptisms by heretics can be valid), it's only by the embracement of heresy that Protestants are separated from the Church. A child under 7 having not achieved the age of reason would be spared the sin of heresy AFAIK and therefore still count as a member of the Church. Although that would be in spite of the child being a Protestant.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Yes, they are Catholics until they profess heresy, since they have received the Sacrament of Baptism.  As for the requirement to receive Holy Eucharist, that's considered necessary by necessity of precept but not absolutely necessary for salvation.  Adherence to heresy is one of the things that excludes from membership in the Church (cf. St. Robert Bellarmine's criteria).  Now, is it possible that an invincibly ignorance 10-year-old could not pertinaciously adhere to heresy and be saved?  Sure, I think so.  But then he's still a Catholic in material heresy.  Once the nature of this heresy, however, touches the point where the person no longer has the correct formal motive of faith, the heresy transitions into formal heresy ... even if there's no active sin against faith.