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Re: The Errors of the Diamond Bros
« Reply #15 on: Today at 07:49:10 AM »
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  • This snippet from schismatic-home-aloner.com is enough for me to stay clear of the Dimonds. The disastrous effects this statement has the potential to have is inconceivable. Telling Catholics to stay away from the Sacraments is in itself un-Catholic.


    • One must not financially support, in any way, any priest or group that holds false positions. We are not aware of any priests, groups or religious communities in the world (besides our monastery) holding the correct positions in a public, clear and uncompromising way.

    • Don’t go to any church in this country (“traditional” or otherwise) for Sunday or Saturday Masses, since basically all the priests are heretics and the heretics give sermons or talks on those days. People should stay home on Sunday and pray 15 decades of the Rosary. (This generally applies to other countries as well.)


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    Re: The Errors of the Diamond Bros
    « Reply #16 on: Today at 08:10:22 AM »
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  • This snippet from schismatic-home-aloner.com is enough for me to stay clear of the Dimonds.


    One must not financially support, in any way, any priest or group that holds false positions. We are not aware of any priests, groups or religious communities in the world (besides our monastery) holding the correct positions in a public, clear and uncompromising way.

    Don’t go to any church in this country (“traditional” or otherwise) for Sunday or Saturday Masses, since basically all the priests are heretics and the heretics give sermons or talks on those days. People should stay home on Sunday and pray 15 decades of the Rosary. (This generally applies to other countries as well.)



    There is more than one thing going on here...

    First, one can and should "stay clear" of those they perceive are a threat to their soul or body - that just makes sense.

    But if we are going to attack someone we need to attack their public sins.

    Which means we have to prove they are doing something either doctrinally or morally wrong.

    We have to prove it with evidences.

    Evidences backed-up by teaching.

    Evidences backed-up by the teaching and being realistic about what this crisis actually is...

    So, you have two things here that you are imputing sin to that beg the question(s)

    1) Is it morally permissible to financially aid those who spread false doctrines?

    2) Is it morally permissible to attend a Mass where you can be morally certain you will receive false doctrine from the priest?

    See, the problem with most people not listening ever to the Dimonds  - is that they do come across arrogant, and know-it-all, they also refused to be corrected on anything - this makes people think all they have to offer is garbage and they think of ALL their material as trash. Such ones are not being rational - they should learn how to weed out the bullshit. You basically have to do this everywhere. Hell, their are people on other threads right now telling everyone, "Catechisms are not infallible", "this one is right - that one is wrong.", "Don't read Ludwig Ott" etc., etc., etc. Now I am not saying that - that advice is wrong. What I am saying is you have to use your own God-given-brain to weed out the good opinions from the bad ones. That doesn't mean this or that guy has nothing to offer - is wrong about most everything - is a tool of Satan - is a peddler of garbage - etc. That is all puerile and childish (and not in the innocent-like- a-child good way).


    Or, maybe you aren't "imputing sin" to those acts/suggestions of the Dimonds at all...

    Not,  as Lad says of those who hate them, "rabid and foaming at the mouth" out to get "Frank and Bob."

    Maybe you just don't agree with them on other things...

    Things that make you very uncomfortable and you would rather avoid...

    Fair enough.




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    Re: The Errors of the Diamond Bros
    « Reply #17 on: Today at 08:28:56 AM »
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  • Never heard them deny that.

    In fact, I think they often cite it as the teaching.

    But if you mean it like we all know you do - then that applies to ALL those who hold the Holy See is currently vacant...

    So, if that is all you have - then it is a nothing-burger-of-epic-proportions - as we all know that those who hold the Holy See is currently vacant would quickly and happily submit to a true Roman Pontiff the instant he was recognized.


    The Dimonds even stated this clearly during the infamous "Fradd" interview with Cassman.

    Try harder - you are Stubborn -  you got this...

    :facepalm:

    All I will say is, I hope the sedes are right, because if they're wrong - and although they would never admit it, they could indeed be wrong, then, well, you know. 
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: The Errors of the Diamond Bros
    « Reply #18 on: Today at 09:17:13 AM »
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  • There is more than one thing going on here...

    First, one can and should "stay clear" of those they perceive are a threat to their soul or body - that just makes sense.

    But if we are going to attack someone we need to attack their public sins.

    Which means we have to prove they are doing something either doctrinally or morally wrong.

    We have to prove it with evidences.

    Evidences backed-up by teaching.

    Evidences backed-up by the teaching and being realistic about what this crisis actually is...

    So, you have two things here that you are imputing sin to that beg the question(s)

    1) Is it morally permissible to financially aid those who spread false doctrines?

    2) Is it morally permissible to attend a Mass where you can be morally certain you will receive false doctrine from the priest?

    See, the problem with most people not listening ever to the Dimonds  - is that they do come across arrogant, and know-it-all, they also refused to be corrected on anything - this makes people think all they have to offer is garbage and they think of ALL their material as trash. Such ones are not being rational - they should learn how to weed out the bullshit. You basically have to do this everywhere. Hell, their are people on other threads right now telling everyone, "Catechisms are not infallible", "this one is right - that one is wrong.", "Don't read Ludwig Ott" etc., etc., etc. Now I am not saying that - that advice is wrong. What I am saying is you have to use your own God-given-brain to weed out the good opinions from the bad ones. That doesn't mean this or that guy has nothing to offer - is wrong about most everything - is a tool of Satan - is a peddler of garbage - etc. That is all puerile and childish (and not in the innocent-like- a-child good way).


    Or, maybe you aren't "imputing sin" to those acts/suggestions of the Dimonds at all...

    Not,  as Lad says of those who hate them, "rabid and foaming at the mouth" out to get "Frank and Bob."

    Maybe you just don't agree with them on other things...

    Things that make you very uncomfortable and you would rather avoid...

    Fair enough.
    If only 10 people are convinced by the Dimonds to abandon the Sacraments, that to me is a bad fruit. And we all know what Our Lord said about the tree that brings forth bad fruit. 

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    Re: The Errors of the Diamond Bros
    « Reply #19 on: Today at 09:32:26 AM »
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  • If only 10 people are convinced by the Dimonds to abandon the Sacraments, that to me is a bad fruit.

    And we all know what Our Lord said about the tree that brings forth bad fruit.
    There you go again...

    The Dimonds aren't "abandoning the Sacraments." 


    This again begs the question:

    Is it morally permissable to receive doubtful Sacraments?

    As for the second part - Any yahoo with an internet connection can see "bad-fruit" just about anywhere claiming to be "Catholic" these days.

    Your litmus test again, must be actual doctrine - not speculation - broad statements, "if only 10 people..." - that paint everything they say as simply black and white.

    You may not know much about what they actually believe about Sacraments and their reception - that is where you should INVESTIGATE.

    Or, just believe whatever nasty things others say about them and avoid them with a 10-foot-pole - that is an option as well...