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Alphonsus ligouri did not use an errenous translation by rahner but states as de fide that baptism of desire is actually taught by the council of Trent.  The catechism of the council of Trent teaches baptism of desire.  The catechism of pope pius x teaches baptism of desire.  How do these authorities get it wrong Director if Trent is so clear?

Read Peter Dimonds book ,,  He explains it better then I could ever.  Then I think you will understand it better.

It all boils down to , "You cant believe any of the Fallable Theologians, Doctors, or Saints,.  Some by the grace of God , have proven their Falability in the errors in some of their writings ,, A Proven fact.  That's why you can only rely on the Popes , and the Councils.   etc etc ... you know the drill.

Protestants say you cannot believe any of the fallible Theologians Doctors or Saints thats why you have to read the Bible.  But the Catholic Church teaches through her Catechisms.  Every Catechism teaches Baptism of Desire, the Catechism of Trent, Catechism of Pius X, even Fr Michael Muller's book whom the strict interpreters of EENS love to quote.  I will trust the Catechisms with my soul and you can trust Mr Dimond.

True.
Trent's catechism does not teach a BOD any way.

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True.
Trent's catechism does not teach a BOD any way.

Ordinarily They Are Not Baptised At Once

On adults, however, the Church has not been accustomed to confer the Sacrament of Baptism at once, but has ordained that it be deferred for a certain time. The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned; should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness

Nay, this delay seems to be attended with some advantages. And first, since the Church must take particular care that none approach this Sacrament through hypocrisy and dissimulation, the intentions of such as seek Baptism, are better examined and ascertained. Hence it is that we read in the decrees of ancient Councils that Jєωιѕн converts to the Catholic faith, before admission to Baptism, should spend some months in the ranks of the catechumens.

Furthermore, the candidate for Baptism is thus better instructed in the doctrine of the faith which he is to profess, and in the practices of the Christian life. Finally, when Baptism is administered to adults with solemn ceremonies on the appointed days of Easter and Pentecost only greater religious reverence is shown to the Sacrament.

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True.
Trent's catechism does not teach a BOD any way.

Ordinarily They Are Not Baptised At Once

On adults, however, the Church has not been accustomed to confer the Sacrament of Baptism at once, but has ordained that it be deferred for a certain time. The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned; should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness

This is not a BOD. There is no mention of death or salvation, nor is there any guarantee of grace and righteousness - and for all you know, the unforeseen accident was the cause of a huge traffic jam that kept the priest from making to the Church to administer the baptism that day and they had to postpone the ceremony till the next week.

In order to make this into a BOD, you have to add all your personal exceptions in order to make this teach something it is not teaching.

Had you quoted the rest of the teaching, you would learn *why* the delay is not attended to with the same danger as in infants - allow me:

Quote from: Trent's Catechism

Nay, this delay seems to be attended with some advantages. And first, since the Church must take particular care that none approach this Sacrament through hypocrisy and dissimulation, the intentions of such as seek Baptism, are better examined and ascertained. Hence it is that we read in the decrees of ancient Councils that Jєωιѕн converts to the Catholic faith, before admission to Baptism, should spend some months in the ranks of the catechumens.

Furthermore, the candidate for Baptism is thus better instructed in the doctrine of the faith which he is to profess, and in the practices of the Christian life. Finally, when Baptism is administered to adults with solemn ceremonies on the appointed days of Easter and Pentecost only greater religious reverence is shown to the Sacrament.

Why does the Catechism say "The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants"? Does the Council of Florence give us a clue?

Nay, this delay seems to be attended with some advantages. And first, since the Church must take particular care that none approach this Sacrament through hypocrisy and dissimulation, the intentions of such as seek Baptism, are better examined and ascertained. Hence it is that we read in the decrees of ancient Councils that Jєωιѕн converts to the Catholic faith, before admission to Baptism, should spend some months in the ranks of the catechumens.

Furthermore, the candidate for Baptism is thus better instructed in the doctrine of the faith which he is to profess, and in the practices of the Christian life. Finally, when Baptism is administered to adults with solemn ceremonies on the appointed days of Easter and Pentecost only greater religious reverence is shown to the Sacrament.

But Nado has hijacked all the BoD threads with the Catechism.