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Offline Hermes

Did EENS Undergo a Development of Understanding?
« on: August 01, 2021, 04:23:59 PM »





In his book, Fr. Sullivan, while a modernist, does a great job from a historical perspective in tracing the history of the dogma of EENS from its apostolic origins with the very earliest Church Fathers all the way to the modern era. He ruefully accedes to the fact that EENS was understood literally and with little discrepancy (Baptism of Blood) for over a millennia. It was when the “new world” was discovered that Baptism of Desire, which was previously a speculation on catechumens who died before Baptism, became a full blown extension to all who had died without evangelization (implicit BOD). This change in understanding brought BOD to its most logical conclusions with Karl Rahner’s αnσnymσus Christian and to the most radical universalism of Fr. Hans Balthazar who, like Origen, believed in the possibility of universal salvation.

A very good read for those interested.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Did EENS Undergo a Development of Understanding?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2021, 05:08:49 PM »
Yes, he gets the history correct, as did Karl Rahner.  But, as Modernists, for them it's OK for dogma to change and evolve.

"Rewarder God" theory was invented shortly after the discovery of the New World.

From there, all hell broke lose on Catholic soteriology and ecclesiology.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Did EENS Undergo a Development of Understanding?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2021, 05:12:00 PM »
Is there a copy available online?  I'd rather not pay $27 for this on Amazon.
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Offline Hermes

Re: Did EENS Undergo a Development of Understanding?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2021, 05:52:00 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 01, 2021, 05:12:00 PM
Is there a copy available online?  I'd rather not pay $27 for this on Amazon.
Not that I have seen. It’s available on Perlego if you have a subscription or if you get a free trial.


https://www.perlego.com/book/1722868/salvation-outside-the-church-tracing-the-history-of-the-catholic-response-pdf
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Offline trad123

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Re: Did EENS Undergo a Development of Understanding?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2021, 06:40:50 PM »
See attached.

Part of chapter 5.

Entirety of chapter 6, 7, and 8.


Edit: Ran PDF through OCR, reattached file.
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