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Re: Denying BOD is a mortal sin
« Reply #45 on: Today at 12:13:57 AM »
From Summa Theologiae III, q. 64, a. 7

“God did not bind His power to the ministers of the Church so as to be unable to give angels power to administer the sacraments. And since good angels are messengers of truth; if any sacramental rite were performed by good angels, it should be considered valid, because it ought to be evident that this is being done by the will of God.”

De Veritate q. 14, a. 11, ad 1:

Granted that everyone is bound to believe something explicitly, no untenable conclusion follows even if someone is brought up in the forest or among wild beasts. For it pertains to divine providence to furnish everyone with what is necessary for salvation, provided that on his part there is no hindrance.

 Thus, if someone so brought up followed the direction of natural reason in seeking good and avoiding evil, we must most certainly hold that God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him as he sent Peter to Cornelius.”

"Baptism of desire" is a semantic confusion. Every single person who could be the subject of "baptism of desire" or a so-called "implicit faith" will simply 1)Get a revelation from God internally. 2)Get the true baptism from an angel. 

This so-called "debate" is worthless. 

Re: Denying BOD is a mortal sin
« Reply #46 on: Today at 07:12:40 AM »
And once again, I always hear, "The Catechism says..."  Here is a Christian Brothers Catechism # 1, and no mention of BOD.  It says that Baptism "is absolutely necessary for salvation." Printed in 1937.  I posted the pics as attachments.  I can show you several old catechisms which make no mention of BOD.
You realize the catechism doesnt contain all truths of the Christian Faith right? 


Re: Denying BOD is a mortal sin
« Reply #47 on: Today at 07:13:32 AM »
BoD is an error and hence there is no sin in denying it.
You are literally in the most grievous denial about this. 

I notice you never asked for the quotes. I could have been making them up.

You are just spiteful at this point.

Re: Denying BOD is a mortal sin
« Reply #48 on: Today at 07:14:32 AM »
 

This so-called "debate" is worthless.

THERE IS NO DEBATE

That is the whole point of me putting that up.

You are basically NOT A CATHOLIC, if you deny this. It is THEOLOGY CERTAIN.

WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND!!!

Re: Denying BOD is a mortal sin
« Reply #49 on: Today at 07:16:17 AM »
We have already established that if someone truly desires baptism and there is no one else to baptize them, God will simply send an angel to baptize them before their death as St Thomas Aquinas said.

"Baptism of desire" is merely a semantic confusion.

All of those fairytales about implicit faith or baptism of desire come from the idea that God, who is infinitely Just, wouldn't let someone go to hell through no fault of their own.

God isn't limited by what can be seen with the human eye. In the end, all this debate on BOD is a complete waste of time based on semantics.
 
Is God limited to His Sacraments.

You literally cannot debate this. 

St. Thomas said sketchy things about the Immaculate Conception. And yet the common opinion of theologians made it become an infallibly defined dogma.