Author Topic: Definition of Cushingite (Read 3651 times)

Ambrose · « **on:** August 23, 2014, 10:43:20 PM »

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All the Cushingites believe in "subsistence" ecclesiology.
What are Cushingites?

+Richard Cushing was the Archbishop of Boston during the controversy of the Saint Benedict Center. Here is some information about him: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cushing

Cushing by the 1960's was an ecuмenist who openly prayed with Protestants. Some on this forum who deny Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood use the term "Cushingite" to describe those of us who defend the Catholic teaching.

Those of us who defend the Catholic teaching are not supporters of Cusihing or his ecuмenical ideas, and we also know that Cushing is a sideshow, as it was was Cushing, but the Holy Office in a letter approved by Pope Pius XII that corrected the doctrinal error of the Feeneyites.

They have been corrected about the fact that using this term to describe us is a dishonest tactic, but continue to so. Let the readers who can see this clearly decide.

Cantarella · « **Reply #1 on:** August 23, 2014, 10:46:54 PM »

Cushinghites are people that share the modernist error of liberal Richard Cushing. Cushinguites say that there can be known souls saved in invincible ignorance or baptism of desire, contradicting the ex cathedra thrice defined Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus dogma that says that only Catholics go to Heaven.

By saying that everyone need not enter the Catholic Church for salvation because there are some that can be saved in false religions, (a Jєω can be saved as a Jєω, a Muslim as a Muslim, a Hindu as a Hindu, without converting explicitly to Catholicism) the Cushinguites throw out the window Cantate Domino, Florence, Trent, and even Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7)!.

Ambrose · « **Reply #2 on:** August 23, 2014, 10:52:12 PM »

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Cushinghites are people that share the modernist error of liberal Richard Cushing. Cushinguites say that there can be known souls saved in invincible ignorance or baptism of desire, contradicting the ex cathedra thrice defined Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus dogma that says that only Catholics go to Heaven.

By saying that everyone need not enter the Catholic Church for salvation because there are some that can be saved in false religions, (a Jєω can be saved as a Jєω, a Muslim as a Muslim, a Hindu as a Hindu, without converting explicitly to Catholicism) the Cushinguites throw out the window Cantate Domino, Florence, Trent, and even Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7)!.

That's not what the Holy Office taught.

Mabel · « **Reply #3 on:** August 23, 2014, 11:10:48 PM »

Have these supposed "Cushingites" done any of the following:
1. Claimed Cushing was a great theologian or saint
2. Set up a compound around the man himself, outside the auspices of the local diocese
3. Published and spread any of his works which were forbidden
4. Established a religious order outside the approval of the Church
5. Put up portraits or used the image of Cushing along with their alleged crusad
6. Consider Cushing a hero of the Church
7. Consider Cushing the father of their movement
8. Consider Cushing to be an absolute bastion of orthodox Catholic thought and action
9. Prayed in public with non-Catholics
10. Promoted prayer with heretics and infidels
11. Written papers, posts, blogs, articles quoting Cushing to support their position
12. Praise Cushing for any insubordination to Rome
13. Have ties to Cushing and his works personally or through parents/grandparents

If you are honest, you will see that this name is a misnomer. If you are dishonest, you will continue to use the word and head on your merry little way.

Cantarella · « **Reply #4 on:** August 23, 2014, 11:23:39 PM »

That is irrelevant.

Cushingism is the name of the error that is professed by everyone that believes there are known exceptions to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (this is, that there are known souls that are saved via implicit desire without even an explicit belief in the Christian truths). They assume this is a reality, a known exception, as we could ever see the dead, forgetting that God Himself has revealed only ONE BAPTISM. There is only one baptism and that of water that we humans know of.

The conciliar Popes have all been cushinguites. If a person believes that non - Catholics can be saved, then that person has succuмbed to the Cushinguite error which contradicts EENS, was carried over to Vatican II Council, and has not been corrected yet.

Cushingism leads to the error of believing that BOD and invincible ignorance are actually de fide, instead of hypothetical, and it degenerates without fail in universalism and indifferentism, which ends up in the Prayer at Assisi.

That is what is meant by the general adjective of "cushinguite".

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #5 on:** August 24, 2014, 12:11:37 AM »

Cantarella,

Quote from: Pope Pius IX

...it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments."
"8. Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom 'the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior.'(Ecuмenical Council of Chalcedon in its letter to Pope Leo.) The words of Christ are clear enough: 'If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;'(Mt 15.17.) 'He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me;'(Lk 10.16.) 'He who does not believe will be condemned;'(Mk 16.16.) 'He who does not believe is already condemned;'(Jn 3.18.) 'He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.'(Lk 11.23.) The Apostle Paul says that such persons are 'perverted and self-condemned;'(Ti 3.11.) the Prince of the Apostles calls them 'false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master. . . bringing upon themselves swift destruction.'(2 Pt 2.1.) "

[Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, August 10, 1863.]

These responses here from you are as dishonest as I have seen. It is truly disappointing to see your most uncharitable replies. This straw man tactic that you employ is not proper. I am now hiding your posts permanently.

Cantarella · « **Reply #6 on:** August 24, 2014, 12:23:41 AM »

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Cushinghites are people that share the modernist error of liberal Richard Cushing. Cushinguites say that there can be known souls saved in invincible ignorance or baptism of desire, contradicting the ex cathedra thrice defined Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus dogma that says that only Catholics go to Heaven.

By saying that everyone need not enter the Catholic Church for salvation because there are some that can be saved in false religions, (a Jєω can be saved as a Jєω, a Muslim as a Muslim, a Hindu as a Hindu, without converting explicitly to Catholicism) the Cushinguites throw out the window Cantate Domino, Florence, Trent, and even Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7)!.

That's not what the Holy Office taught.

The letter of 1949 claims that there are known exceptions to the EENS dogma which has been defined by three Church Councils. The known exceptions are supposed to be the souls who die "invincible ignorant" of the True Faith and are saved through subjective and ambiguous "implicit desire via last minute BOD".

This letter is also a straighforward and blant rejection of the Nicene Creed "I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin" which refers to water Baptism only, the sacrament that has been revealed by God Himself. It is being implied in this letter that there are three or more known baptisms: water, desire, blood etc. Unfortunately, Vatican II curia - Novus Ordo, sedevacantists such as CMRI, and even SSPX priests such as Fr.Francois Laisney are guilty of the same faulty reasoning.

As said before, it seems that that the "traditionalists" can only point out to the errors in Vatican II but cannot really provide an alternative since they act unaware of the Cushing Heresy (invincible ignorance -> denial of EENS) which is the cause of those errors.

The EENS dogma (as all Catholic dogmas) is to be understood as solemnly declared, professed, and taught since the creation of the Church, without any change of meaning.

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Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council, Session 3, Chapter 4, #14, ex cathedra: "Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by Holy Mother Church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding."

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Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council, Session 3, Canon 4, ex cathedra: "If anyone says that it is possible that at some time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmas propounded by the church which is different from that which the church has understood and understands: let him be anathema."

Cushinguism is an actual ERROR based on the modernist new doctrine of salvation made in the USA. The Archbishop of Boston and the liberal Jesuits there gave us the novel concept of an exceptional way of salvation: through "invincible ignorance" while in "false religion". This objective error was spread in the Catholic Church and carried over Vatican II. It is the main basis for liberalism and dissent in the Church.

Cantarella · « **Reply #7 on:** August 24, 2014, 12:49:08 AM »

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Cantarella,

Quote from: Pope Pius IX
...it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments."
"8. Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom 'the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior.'(Ecuмenical Council of Chalcedon in its letter to Pope Leo.) The words of Christ are clear enough: 'If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;'(Mt 15.17.) 'He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me;'(Lk 10.16.) 'He who does not believe will be condemned;'(Mk 16.16.) 'He who does not believe is already condemned;'(Jn 3.18.) 'He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.'(Lk 11.23.) The Apostle Paul says that such persons are 'perverted and self-condemned;'(Ti 3.11.) the Prince of the Apostles calls them 'false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master. . . bringing upon themselves swift destruction.'(2 Pt 2.1.) "

[Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, August 10, 1863.]

These responses here from you are as dishonest as I have seen. It is truly disappointing to see your most uncharitable replies. This straw man tactic that you employ is not proper. I am now hiding your posts permanently.

In the first paragraph cited, Pope Pius IX, talks about those struggling with invincible ignorance. It is true that God searches hearts and will grant the worthy souls actual grace in order for them to join the Church and thus have a chance of salvation. God will see that his elect and the worthy souls here and there who persevere are actually able to receive sacraments necessary for salvation.

The words of Pope Pius IX were severely misinterpreted and twisted by the liberals whose only purpose is to undermine the exclusivity of the Catholic Church for salvation in order to live in harmony with the world. If someone is ever saved being ignorant of the Faith, those hypothetical cases are ONLY known to God. These cases can never be a reality as if we could see the dead or invent divinely revealed dogma. That is why BOD is hypothetical only and not de fide. The liberal and Americanist heretical error is to think of the invincible ignorant as a physical exception to EENS as to justify and promote salvation outside the Church for the non-Catholics.

Stubborn · « **Reply #8 on:** August 24, 2014, 04:58:10 AM »

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Have these supposed "Cushingites" done any of the following:
1. Claimed Cushing was a great theologian or saint
2. Set up a compound around the man himself, outside the auspices of the local diocese
3. Published and spread any of his works which were forbidden
4. Established a religious order outside the approval of the Church
5. Put up portraits or used the image of Cushing along with their alleged crusad
6. Consider Cushing a hero of the Church
7. Consider Cushing the father of their movement
8. Consider Cushing to be an absolute bastion of orthodox Catholic thought and action
9. Prayed in public with non-Catholics
10. Promoted prayer with heretics and infidels
11. Written papers, posts, blogs, articles quoting Cushing to support their position
12. Praise Cushing for any insubordination to Rome
13. Have ties to Cushing and his works personally or through parents/grandparents

If you are honest, you will see that this name is a misnomer. If you are dishonest, you will continue to use the word and head on your merry little way.

Cushingite = one who slanders Fr. Feeney, the necessity of the sacrament of baptism for salvation and promotes there is salvation outside the Church.

These are the things Cushing did and were he alive today, he would be your ally, not your enemy.

Unfortunately for the Cuchingites, they are ignorant enough to believe there were no enemies in the 1930s already infiltrated within the Church, especially the Holy Office who played their part in slandering a good priest. The enemy's slander was amazingly effective even today some 80 years later.

Proof of it's effectiveness is that today, nincompoop trads still call him an excommunicated heretic, when he was not excommunicated for heresy but, for disobedience by the ones HE accused of promoting the heresy of salvation outside the Church.

If you were honest, you and your fellow ignoranters would be able to admit what I just posted were the truth. Again, because you cannot admit it, that only demonstrates the complete efficiency of the enemy's ability to slander.

Ambrose · « **Reply #9 on:** August 24, 2014, 09:08:41 AM »

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Have these supposed "Cushingites" done any of the following:
1. Claimed Cushing was a great theologian or saint
2. Set up a compound around the man himself, outside the auspices of the local diocese
3. Published and spread any of his works which were forbidden
4. Established a religious order outside the approval of the Church
5. Put up portraits or used the image of Cushing along with their alleged crusad
6. Consider Cushing a hero of the Church
7. Consider Cushing the father of their movement
8. Consider Cushing to be an absolute bastion of orthodox Catholic thought and action
9. Prayed in public with non-Catholics
10. Promoted prayer with heretics and infidels
11. Written papers, posts, blogs, articles quoting Cushing to support their position
12. Praise Cushing for any insubordination to Rome
13. Have ties to Cushing and his works personally or through parents/grandparents

If you are honest, you will see that this name is a misnomer. If you are dishonest, you will continue to use the word and head on your merry little way.

Best post I have read in a while. I am sure it will fly over their heads though.

JPaul · « **Reply #10 on:** August 24, 2014, 09:54:10 AM »

Ambrose,

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Cushing by the 1960's was an ecuмenist who openly prayed with Protestants. Some on this forum who deny Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood use the term "Cushingite" to describe those of us who defend the Catholic teaching.

The reason for applying this term to some is that it is appropriate, in some measure,
for those who, share with him, beliefs in forms of Extra Ecclesial, and Extra Sacramental salvation for those who are outside of the Church.

It is just that simple.
Just as the term Feeneyite is applied to those who do not believe in these things.

JPaul · « **Reply #11 on:** August 24, 2014, 10:07:46 AM »

Stubborn,

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when he was not excommunicated for heresy but, for disobedience by the ones HE accused of promoting the heresy of salvation outside the Church.

On the spot, the other half of the story that was never mentioned in the Roman or diocesean docuмents and statements. Does one wonder why this was never subject to proper due process?. Consider all of this becoming well publicized back when most Catholics still had a basic belief in the dogma of exclusive salvation.

It is perfectly understandable why they silenced and broke him.

Stubborn · « **Reply #12 on:** August 24, 2014, 10:31:17 AM »

Yes, Cushing was one those that Pope St. Pius X described when he said:
"For as We have said, they put their designs for her ruin into operation not from without but from within; hence, the danger is present almost in the very veins and heart of the Church, whose injury is the more certain, the more intimate is their knowledge of her. Moreover they lay the axe not to the branches and shoots, but to the very root, that is, to the faith and its deepest fires.

Cushing's partner was the Holy Office's F. Cardinal Marchetti-Selvaggiani, yet the Cushingites will never see this because they believe the enemies popped into existence in 1962 or so. They believe the slander of the enemy and they still promote the obvious lies as they reject the truth of the only way to salvation.

Yet reading Pope St. Pis X's Pacsendi, we read that the pope knew perfectly well and perfectly described Cushing right down to the laying of the ax to the very root.

The Cushingites are so ignorant that they do not even know that the "very root" is the dogma EENS, nor will they ever accept it - that is a testament to Cushing's biggest accomplishment, convincing otherwise pious Catholics to promote his heresy that there is salvation outside the Church while continuing his legacy of slandering one who defended that dogma.

As I said, they are in league with Cushing, as such, they should expect to meet up with him in eternity when their turn comes.

Ambrose · « **Reply #13 on:** August 24, 2014, 10:34:22 AM »

Quote from: J.Paul

Ambrose,
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Cushing by the 1960's was an ecuмenist who openly prayed with Protestants. Some on this forum who deny Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood use the term "Cushingite" to describe those of us who defend the Catholic teaching.

The reason for applying this term to some is that it is appropriate, in some measure,
for those who, share with him, beliefs in forms of Extra Ecclesial, and Extra Sacramental salvation for those who are outside of the Church.

It is just that simple.
Just as the term Feeneyite is applied to those who do not believe in these things.

The Holy Office letter did not teach salvation outside the Church.

It did not teach salvation without the sacraments, as this can be fulfilled through Baptism of Desire.

Stubborn · « **Reply #14 on:** August 24, 2014, 10:47:14 AM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: J.Paul
Ambrose,
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Cushing by the 1960's was an ecuмenist who openly prayed with Protestants. Some on this forum who deny Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood use the term "Cushingite" to describe those of us who defend the Catholic teaching.

The reason for applying this term to some is that it is appropriate, in some measure,
for those who, share with him, beliefs in forms of Extra Ecclesial, and Extra Sacramental salvation for those who are outside of the Church.

It is just that simple.
Just as the term Feeneyite is applied to those who do not believe in these things.

The Holy Office letter did not teach salvation outside the Church.

It did not teach salvation without the sacraments, as this can be fulfilled through Baptism of Desire.

It did not teach the dogma EENS - that much is for sure.