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Offline Ambrose

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« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2014, 05:59:11 PM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.
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    « Reply #46 on: August 28, 2014, 07:52:17 PM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.


    The true despisers and rejectors of dogma and doctrine are the Extra Sacramental Salvationists. Children of the council.


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    « Reply #47 on: August 28, 2014, 08:03:01 PM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.


    The true despisers and rejectors of dogma and doctrine are the Extra Sacramental Salvationists. Children of the council.


    I'll stick with the Catholic Church. Not your new pseudo-church, that denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    To deny one point of the Faith is enough to throw away your soul.  
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #48 on: August 28, 2014, 11:32:37 PM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.


    The true despisers and rejectors of dogma and doctrine are the Extra Sacramental Salvationists. Children of the council.


    I'll stick with the Catholic Church. Not your new pseudo-church, that denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    To deny one point of the Faith is enough to throw away your soul.  


    The Catholic Church which has been infiltrated by Modernists adhering to the Cushing error, perhaps. In this particular case, the new "sedecavantist" pseudo-church, traditionalist-in name- only that bluntly deny Extra Eclessiam Nulla Salus. Sedevacantism is an error, easily recognized because it is a novelty. That it happens to fiercely defend salvation of non-Catholics ("who truly desire to do the will of a pantheistic God") just as the conciliar newchurch, is nothing but buffoonery.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #49 on: August 29, 2014, 06:28:21 AM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.


    The true despisers and rejectors of dogma and doctrine are the Extra Sacramental Salvationists. Children of the council.


    I'll stick with the Catholic Church. Not your new pseudo-church, that denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    To deny one point of the Faith is enough to throw away your soul.  



    Yes, and to deny that the sacrament of baptism is a necessity for salvation, as you do repeatedly, is denying *the* fundamental point of faith.

    To claim the Church teaches the sacrament of baptism is not a necessity is to deny the point of faith. To claim the Church teaches salvation can be had via a BOD or a BOB in place of the sacrament of baptism is to preach scandal. You already know what Our Lord said about those who preach scandal - if you don't understand what He meant, let me know and I will get you an interpreter.


     
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #50 on: August 29, 2014, 07:36:10 AM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.


    The true despisers and rejectors of dogma and doctrine are the Extra Sacramental Salvationists. Children of the council.


    I'll stick with the Catholic Church. Not your new pseudo-church, that denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    To deny one point of the Faith is enough to throw away your soul.  


    You had best heed your own words.

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    « Reply #51 on: August 29, 2014, 11:05:05 AM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.


    The true despisers and rejectors of dogma and doctrine are the Extra Sacramental Salvationists. Children of the council.


    I'll stick with the Catholic Church. Not your new pseudo-church, that denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    To deny one point of the Faith is enough to throw away your soul.  


    You had best heed your own words.


    He will not. He cannot. He has gotten himself to the point where unless he slanders those who, like Fr. Feeney, defend the necessity of the Church and sacraments under the guise of saying the Church teaches Her sacraments are optional (or as Ambrose puts it: "it is necessary in fact or in desire") he will never be able to heed his own words.

    Question: What is the difference between an Ambrose variety BOD and the prot version below?

    "Are you saved brutha? - jesus saves! - have you accepted the lord jesus as your personal savior today?"  

    Answer: The prot version goes right to "jesus" without desiring baptism - - BUT - - the prot would surly desire it if only he knew!

     
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #52 on: August 30, 2014, 04:46:17 PM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.


    The true despisers and rejectors of dogma and doctrine are the Extra Sacramental Salvationists. Children of the council.


    I'll stick with the Catholic Church. Not your new pseudo-church, that denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    To deny one point of the Faith is enough to throw away your soul.  



    Yes, and to deny that the sacrament of baptism is a necessity for salvation, as you do repeatedly, is denying *the* fundamental point of faith.

    To claim the Church teaches the sacrament of baptism is not a necessity is to deny the point of faith. To claim the Church teaches salvation can be had via a BOD or a BOB in place of the sacrament of baptism is to preach scandal. You already know what Our Lord said about those who preach scandal - if you don't understand what He meant, let me know and I will get you an interpreter.
     


    I keep defending the Traditional Teaching on the necessity of the Sacraments, but you will only hear your heretical understanding of this doctrine.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


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    « Reply #53 on: August 31, 2014, 02:27:24 AM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.


    The true despisers and rejectors of dogma and doctrine are the Extra Sacramental Salvationists. Children of the council.


    I'll stick with the Catholic Church. Not your new pseudo-church, that denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    To deny one point of the Faith is enough to throw away your soul.  



    Yes, and to deny that the sacrament of baptism is a necessity for salvation, as you do repeatedly, is denying *the* fundamental point of faith.

    To claim the Church teaches the sacrament of baptism is not a necessity is to deny the point of faith. To claim the Church teaches salvation can be had via a BOD or a BOB in place of the sacrament of baptism is to preach scandal. You already know what Our Lord said about those who preach scandal - if you don't understand what He meant, let me know and I will get you an interpreter.
     


    I keep defending the Traditional Teaching on the necessity of the Sacraments, but you will only hear your heretical understanding of this doctrine.


    The Traditional Teaching on the necessity of the Sacraments has as a foundation the belief that only Catholics (who actually can take these sacraments dispensed by the Church) can go to Heaven and achieve life everlasting. It is so simple, a First Communicant can grasp it.

    What the sedevacantists BODers of CI defend is the Modernist Cushinguite error of invincible ignorance so prevalent after Vatican II Council, which undermines the absolute necessity of the Catholic Church of salvation. All religions can be possible means of salvation, they think. They do so under the false pretension of " Tradition " (and nostalgic and naive reversion to the 50's era) while sharing the same exact fundamental error of the liberal Vatican Curia they supposedly reject. It is all about the externals, "the smells and bells" but the fundamental core remains the same of the conciliar newchurch, the one that precisely ends up with the prayers at Assisi, in which Our LORD Jesus Christ is treated just as another god among many and the Catholic religion, True Faith, put to the same level than other false religions. For these BODers sedevacantists, Our Lord can harmoniously coexist among the other gods (which are really demons). They are stained with the Modernist Heresy, but seriously aggravated by the risk of schism.  
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #54 on: August 31, 2014, 03:57:12 AM »
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    The Traditional Teaching on the necessity of the Sacraments has as a foundation the belief that only Catholics (who actually can take these sacraments dispensed by the Church) can go to Heaven and achieve life everlasting. It is so simple, a First Communicant can grasp it.

    What the sedevacantists BODers of CI defend is the Modernist Cushingite error of invincible ignorance so prevalent after Vatican II Council, which undermines the absolute necessity of the Catholic Church of salvation. All religions can be possible means of salvation, they think. They do so under the false pretension of "Tradition" (and nostalgic and naive reversion to the 50's era) while sharing the same exact fundamental error of the liberal Vatican Curia they supposedly reject.

    It is all about the externals, "the smells and bells" but the fundamental core remains the same of the conciliar newchurch, the one that precisely ends up with the prayers at Assisi, in which Our LORD Jesus Christ is treated just as another god among many and the Catholic religion, True Faith, put to the same level than other false religions.

    For these BoDer-sedevacantists, Our Lord can harmoniously coexist among the other gods (which are really demons [cf. Ps. xcv. 5]). They are stained with the Modernist Heresy, but seriously aggravated by the risk of schism.  



    Very well said, Cantarella!              


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    « Reply #55 on: August 31, 2014, 07:55:11 AM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.


    The true despisers and rejectors of dogma and doctrine are the Extra Sacramental Salvationists. Children of the council.


    I'll stick with the Catholic Church. Not your new pseudo-church, that denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    To deny one point of the Faith is enough to throw away your soul.  



    Yes, and to deny that the sacrament of baptism is a necessity for salvation, as you do repeatedly, is denying *the* fundamental point of faith.

    To claim the Church teaches the sacrament of baptism is not a necessity is to deny the point of faith. To claim the Church teaches salvation can be had via a BOD or a BOB in place of the sacrament of baptism is to preach scandal. You already know what Our Lord said about those who preach scandal - if you don't understand what He meant, let me know and I will get you an interpreter.
     


    I keep defending the Traditional Teaching on the necessity of the Sacraments, but you will only hear your heretical understanding of this doctrine.


    The Traditional Teaching on the necessity of the Sacraments has as a foundation the belief that only Catholics (who actually can take these sacraments dispensed by the Church) can go to Heaven and achieve life everlasting. It is so simple, a First Communicant can grasp it.

    What the sedevacantists BODers of CI defend is the Modernist Cushinguite error of invincible ignorance so prevalent after Vatican II Council, which undermines the absolute necessity of the Catholic Church of salvation. All religions can be possible means of salvation, they think. They do so under the false pretension of " Tradition " (and nostalgic and naive reversion to the 50's era) while sharing the same exact fundamental error of the liberal Vatican Curia they supposedly reject. It is all about the externals, "the smells and bells" but the fundamental core remains the same of the conciliar newchurch, the one that precisely ends up with the prayers at Assisi, in which Our LORD Jesus Christ is treated just as another god among many and the Catholic religion, True Faith, put to the same level than other false religions. For these BODers sedevacantists, Our Lord can harmoniously coexist among the other gods (which are really demons). They are stained with the Modernist Heresy, but seriously aggravated by the risk of schism.  


    Catholic Teaching is both simple and complex.  You are only focusing on the simple, but refuse to grasp the distinctions to this teaching.  

    The Traditional teaching on Baptism of Desire is clear.  It is the teaching of the Church and Catholcs must believe it.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


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    « Reply #56 on: August 31, 2014, 02:53:24 PM »
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    Catholic Teaching is both simple and complex.  You are only focusing on the simple, but refuse to grasp the distinctions to this teaching.  

    The Traditional teaching on Baptism of Desire is clear.  It is the teaching of the Church and Catholcs must believe it.


    Catholic teaching is both simple and a mystery - not complex. It is so simple, a little child can understand it - it takes enemies of Our Lord to take a defined dogma and interpret over several pages worth of heresy for it to mean opposite of what it says.

    If the mystery of how to attain salvation was not a mystery, it would have never needed to be infallibly defined.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #57 on: August 31, 2014, 03:02:24 PM »
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    Thousands posts later, there are some here who still do not comprehend what the term Cushinguite is really about.  :kick-can:

    JPII and Pope Francis are good examples of what a Cushinguite is. No further need of explanation.


    Feeneyites and Cuahingites are two sides of the same coin, both despise doctrine.


    The true despisers and rejectors of dogma and doctrine are the Extra Sacramental Salvationists. Children of the council.


    I'll stick with the Catholic Church. Not your new pseudo-church, that denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    To deny one point of the Faith is enough to throw away your soul.  



    Yes, and to deny that the sacrament of baptism is a necessity for salvation, as you do repeatedly, is denying *the* fundamental point of faith.

    To claim the Church teaches the sacrament of baptism is not a necessity is to deny the point of faith. To claim the Church teaches salvation can be had via a BOD or a BOB in place of the sacrament of baptism is to preach scandal. You already know what Our Lord said about those who preach scandal - if you don't understand what He meant, let me know and I will get you an interpreter.
     


    I keep defending the Traditional Teaching on the necessity of the Sacraments, but you will only hear your heretical understanding of this doctrine.



    You keep defending Cushing's teaching, not traditional teaching - you think Cushing is the Church, but Cushing was and is the enemy who succeeded beyond his wildest dreams in fooling you hook, line and sinker -  as such, you defend the enemy's teaching.

    Much like Prots everywhere, you believe all one need do is accept the lord as their personal savior and they'll be saved...............well, wait - - in your religion, the dying person doesn't even need to accept jesus, just belive that there's a god who rewards and punishes.

    And this is what you claim the Church teaches.
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #58 on: August 31, 2014, 03:26:58 PM »
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  • The 1949 Holy Office letter taught:  

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    Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.

    A statement from the Holy Office still true today despite Vatican 2
    would like to ignore, claiming it has been superseded by the teachings
    of Vatican 2, and has no relevance to the church today.  
    The liberals are good in erasing, lying and inventing history.  They
    will turn this quote into an ecuмenical statement by changing a
    few words. And the gullible  faithful will believe it.
    It is one of those surprises that comes up when someone is looking
    for the truth on the post Vatican 2 church.