Author Topic: Decision Time BODers, no more Grays (Read 5762 times)

bowler · « **on:** March 11, 2014, 10:35:37 AM »

BODers here on CI when faced with the contradictions in their BOD edifice, do what millions of people have done every since when the true religion demanded of them a reformation in their conduct: they change the subject. They are willing to make BOD a matter of discussion, but they do not want to make it a matter of decision.

The decision is this:

Do I want to continue to believe that a "Hindu in Tibet" can be saved? (a Hindu who is not baptized, has no explicit desire to be baptized, has no explicit desire to be a Catholic, has no explicit belief in Jesus Christ and the Holy Trinity, a Hindu who lived always believing that he was a Hindu). A belief that is not supported by ANY Father, Doctor, Saint, Council, or catechism prior to the 20th century (and is opposed directly to the Athanasian Creed and the Council of Florence)?

Or

Do I make the decision to restrict my belief to the theories of BOD & BOB of the catechumen, theories which are undeniable supported by some Doctors and Saints.

In other words, are you willing to BELIEVE and teach non-Catholics this (St. Alphonsus Ligouri believed in BOD & BOB of the catechumen, and is the most sighted source by BODers):

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St. Alphonsus: “If you are ignorant of the truths of the faith, you are obliged to learn them. Every Christian is bound to learn the Creed, the Our Father, and the Hail Mary under pain of mortal sin. Many have no idea of the Most Holy Trinity, the Incarnation, mortal sin, Judgment, Paradise, Hell, or Eternity; and this deplorable ignorance damns them.” (Michael Malone, The Apostolic Digest, p. 159.)

St. Alphonsus: “See also the special love which God has shown you in bringing you into life in a Christian country, and in the bosom of the Catholic or true Church. How many are born among the pagans, among the Jews, among the Mohometans and heretics, and all are lost.” (Sermons of St. Alphonsus Liguori, Tan Books, 1982, p. 219)

O ye atheists who do not believe in God, what fools you are! But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe there is a true religion. And if not the Roman Catholic, which is it? Perhaps that of the pagans who admit many gods, thus they deny them all. Perhaps that of Mohammed, a religion invented by an impostor and framed for beasts rather than humans. Perhaps that of the Jews who had the true faith at one time but, because they rejected their redeemer, lost their faith, their country, their everything. Perhaps that of the heretics who, separating themselves from our Church, have confused all revealed dogmas in such a way that the belief of one heretic is contrary to that of his neighbor. O holy faith! Enlighten all those poor blind creatures who run to eternal perdition! (St. Alphonsus Liguori)

In the great deluge in the days of Noah, all mankind perished, eight persons alone being saved in the Ark. In our days a deluge, not of water, but sins, continually inundates the earth, and out of this deluge very few escape. Scarcely anyone is saved. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)

MyrnaM · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2014, 10:48:39 AM »

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Do I want to continue to believe that a "Hindu in Tibet" can be saved?

Your pope does, so you must also!

bowler · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2014, 10:52:24 AM »

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Do I want to continue to believe that a "Hindu in Tibet" can be saved?

Your pope does, so you must also!

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BODers here on CI when faced with the contradictions in their BOD edifice, do what millions of people have done every since when the true religion demanded of them a reformation in their conduct: they change the subject.

Women should not be teaching men. Please get your husband to come and debate the SUBJECT here.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2014, 11:31:13 AM »

It is obvious that those who deny Baptism of Desire lack Faith, for this reason:

They speak a loud voice about the SACRAMENT of Baptism as if we who adhere to all the teachings of the Church do not know what a Sacrament is.

Review: A Sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace. The outward sign is for the benefit of man, not God.

St. Augustine teaches us that the water manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace and the Holy Ghost effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both water and Spirit are necessary for this Sacrament of Baptism. “Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit.”…notice the emphasis to those who deny BOD is placed on the outward sign, the water and not the Spirit, the Holy Ghost.

When a mention of the Holy Ghost was made by myself, one of their “comrades in crime” used the word “Pentecostalism” against me.

Bower answer this --->For the salvation of the soul of man, what is first and more important, water or God?

I say God is the only one who can save man, water is necessary for the Sacrament, because man needs this outward sign. I remembering learning this in Catholic school.

Keep in mind that Baptism of Desire is NOT a Sacrament, that is NOT our argument, it is however a means of salvation through the mercy of God, ONLY WHEN CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET.

Believing in BOD has nothing to do with NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH...They lie! They can not explain how they come to that conclusion and yet ignore their pope who publically states SALVATION FOR ALL, this strange belief of theirs spells H Y P O C R I T E. Not to mention being GUILTY of the UNFORGIVABLE SIN against the Holy Ghost.

bowler · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2014, 03:25:55 PM »

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It is obvious that those who deny Baptism of Desire ...

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BODers here on CI when faced with the contradictions in their BOD edifice, do what millions of people have done every since when the true religion demanded of them a reformation in their conduct: they change the subject.

Women should not be teaching men. Please get your husband to come and debate the SUBJECT here.