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Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #1 on: July 02, 2021, 09:22:35 PM »
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    • That makes me even more convinced of the Feeneyite position ... 
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #2 on: July 02, 2021, 11:07:48 PM »
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    • Why?
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #3 on: July 03, 2021, 06:00:14 AM »
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    • He fits this to a "T".....

    "Almost everybody who writes or comments on this subject explains the doctrine by explaining it away, as we shall see further on. He begins by affirming the truth of the axiom, Extra Ecciesiam, etc., and ends by denying it - while continuing to insist vigorously that he is not doing so". - Fr. Wathen, Who Shall Ascend?
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #4 on: July 03, 2021, 06:26:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stanley N on July 02, 2021, 11:07:48 PM
    Why?

    Just because it’s coming from Fr. Robinson.

    I’ll analyze it here later.

    He starts by characterizing it as an “overreaction” just like sedevacantism.  That simply assumes it’s wrong out of the gate and somehow based on emotional rather than theological considerations.  I’m sure the SSPX holds the Resistance also to be overreaction.  Anything that is to the right of their compromise position, where they deliberately sit on the fence between Tradition and the Conciliar Church they brush off as overreaction.  Perhaps theirs is an underreaction.

    Then he cites the Church’s “condemnation” in Suprema Haec.  So he gives more weight to this dubious letter that was never published by the Vatican ... but only by Fr. Feeney’s chief nemesis ... as being more authoritative than an Ecuмenical Council?  If the latter could contain error, then a fortiori so could SH.
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #5 on: July 03, 2021, 06:44:24 AM »
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    • Next he attacks Fr. Feeney for his disobedience ... which is laughable coming from a Traditional Catholic, the very existence of whose organization is practically founded on the maxim “faith is greater than obedience.”  Archbishop Lefebvre’s disobedience was heroic while Fr. Feeney’s worthy of condemnation.

    Robison takes the side of Fr. Feeney’s superiors.  When I have time, I’ll actually cite these superiors and the unbelievable amount of heresy they were spewing.
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #6 on: July 03, 2021, 07:28:42 AM »
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    • Father Feeney was right. During his time communists were infiltrating the Church at fast speed.  Fast forward to 2021 communist Jesuits including Bergolio are now leading souls to hell at a rapid pace with all religions are equal and lead to heaven.   The Jesuits take public stage to promote sodomy, abortion, and now genocide. It isn’t normal for a Jesuit to become Pope.  Rome is outside the Church when it works for global communists pushing kovid shots designed for global genocide.  Any religious organization that doesn’t fight against these jabs is outside the Church.  Good can’t co exist with evil.   So when is Father Paul going to do a video series on bergolio, Benedict and the sodomites who are in a state of apostasy and are outside of the true Church. Jesus is our salvation. Jesus Christ now and forever!!!


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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #7 on: July 03, 2021, 08:05:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 02, 2021, 09:22:35 PM
    That makes me even more convinced of the Feeneyite position ...

    Yeah, Fr. Robinson attacking something does tend to make one sympathetic for that "something".

    He also attacks Creationism and the Resistance.

    AND his type fundamentally attacks the Archbishop. Any "respect" they have for +ABL is mere lip service, calculated to deceive the unwashed masses in the pews. Remember Bishop Fellay who personified this -- he believed he would succeed where +ABL failed. HE (+Fellay) will save the Church, in his mind. He sees himself as wiser, better, smarter than +ABL. Never forget that.

    It's not just +Fellay who has that proud attitude, either. All those on the "accordista" side -- basically MOST of the current neo-SSPX, except for a minority that is just weak and keeping their heads down, feel this way.
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #8 on: July 03, 2021, 08:17:57 AM »
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    • Fr. Robinson is coming to cover for Fr. Dean on the 17th at my parish. I'm not particularly excited about it.
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #9 on: July 03, 2021, 08:42:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 03, 2021, 07:28:42 AM
    Father Feeney was right. During his time communists were infiltrating the Church at fast speed.

    Yes, he was ... even if one disagrees with his positon on BoD.  Most people don't know that that this came later and was tangential to his main battle.

    Cushing:  "No salvation outside the Church?  Nonsense.  Nobody's going to tell me that Christ came to die for any select group."  NOT, well, you have to understand EENS as the Church understands it.

    Father Keleher, President of Boston College:  "Father Feeney came to me at the beginning of this situation and I would have liked to do something except that I could not agree with his doctrine on salvation… He (Fr. Feeney) kept repeating such phrases as ‘There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.'" ... Had this Jesuit never heard that this "phrase" has been solemnly defined by the Church as dogma.

    THIS is what Fr. Feeney was dealing with.  Also, his biggest enemies in Boston were the Jєωs.  Cushing's sister was married to a Jєω.
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #10 on: July 04, 2021, 04:31:16 AM »
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    • “.....Spellman’s ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is no
    secret. What I learned from Engel’s book — which is much better researched and argued than the bσɱb-throwing title would lead you to believe — is that Cardinal William O’Connell, archbishop of Boston from 1907 to 1944, was gαy. So too was Cardinal John Wright, made an auxiliary bishop of Boston in 1947 under O’Connell’s successor, Cardinal Richard CUSHING. Wright went on to become the Bishop of Worcester, Mass. Engel writes:......


    “.....Cushing was on good terms with practically the entire Boston elite, as he softened the traditional confrontation between the Catholic Irish and the Protestant upper-class. He built useful relationships with Jєωs, Protestants, and institutions outside the usual Catholic community.....”.

    Most holy priests of the past and present have been persecuted by sơdơmit hierarchy within the Church.  




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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #11 on: July 04, 2021, 11:44:52 AM »
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    • Nobody serious about loving God and His Church is overreacting to modernism.  Most Catholics aren't reacting at all.           
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #12 on: July 04, 2021, 07:31:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on July 03, 2021, 08:05:35 AM
    Yeah, Fr. Robinson attacking something does tend to make one sympathetic for that "something".

    He also attacks Creationism and the Resistance.

    AND his type fundamentally attacks the Archbishop. Any "respect" they have for +ABL is mere lip service, calculated to deceive the unwashed masses in the pews. Remember Bishop Fellay who personified this -- he believed he would succeed where +ABL failed. HE (+Fellay) will save the Church, in his mind. He sees himself as wiser, better, smarter than +ABL. Never forget that.

    It's not just +Fellay who has that proud attitude, either. All those on the "accordista" side -- basically MOST of the current neo-SSPX, except for a minority that is just weak and keeping their heads down, feel this way.
    I could not find fr. Robinson attacking anybody in this video. Just presenting some dry facts from fr. Feeney life. (fr. Robinson puts me off on many occasions too but this does not matter much)
    Also the letter signed by (including) A. Ottaviani https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/letter-to-the-archbishop-of-boston-2076 does not leave any room for an interpretation here, as far as"extra ecclesiam nulla salus" goes.
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #13 on: July 05, 2021, 10:35:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 02, 2021, 09:22:35 PM
    That makes me even more convinced of the Feeneyite position ...
    What they did to their children is horrifying. There's just no justification for that and why did Fr. Feeney permit it?
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    Re: Crisis Series #31 w/ Fr. Robinson: The Feeneyite Error - Overreacting to Moderni
    « Reply #14 on: July 05, 2021, 10:59:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: andy on July 02, 2021, 09:18:04 PM


    Observation/Question:   Why, as Fr. Robinson gets older, do his eyes become smaller and his nose larger?   Is this the Pinnochio syndrome?  :popcorn:



    When we consider all the underhanded propaganda the SSPX fathers have initiated, we should be concerned about their special place in Hell.

    1.  Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Laisney wrote an anti Father Feeney book in 2001.  



    It was full of shoddy scholarship.  
    The over achiever authors were too busy to make sound arguments.

    More hit piece propaganda I can think of:

    2. 1980 Fr. Cekada's attack on the Order of St. John, who supported Father Wathen.  
        Very poor scholarship, and effectively debunked by Father Wathen a year later.

    3. Attack on Thuc line priests and Bishops.  Ongoing doctrine at the SSPX to minimize TLM competition.

    4. 1984 "Open Letter to Confused Catholics"
       Inserted into the book was "Universal Salvation via BOD, BOB and intrinsic Baptism inscribed on every man's heart".   Rahner bunk.

    5. 2008 Two articles in the Angelus shilling for the validity of the Novus ordo bastard sacramanent of Holy Orders.

    5. 2009 Attack on +W and anti-h0Ɩ0cαųst movement.

    6. 2010:  Discovery of a Jєωιѕн mossad operative (Max Krah) within the top ranks of the SSPX.

    7. 2015 Siscoe & Salza books:   Total hireling bullsh*t propaganda, attempting to justify reconciliation with the Pachamama pope.

    8.  Increased attacks on SSPX resistance and independent TLM venues to divert criticism from SSPX regularization with newChurch.


    If you can think of others, please add them.





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