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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Continued in the Ghetto: Baptism of Desire and Bishop Williamson on the Newmass
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2018, 11:12:40 PM »
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a) An implicit desire for Baptism, that is, one that is included in a general purpose of keeping all the commandments of God is, as all agree, sufficient in one who is invincibly ignorant of the law of Baptism;
This is an erroneous application of what ‘implicit’ means.  Implicit does not mean some mysterious, subconscious, spiritual yearning of which the person is not aware.  A person ignorant of baptism CANNOT have an implicit desire of it.  It’s impossible.  

The Modernists have twisted the idea of implicit to mean some ambiguous “yearning for God”.

An implicit desire for baptism necessitates that one a) knows about Christ/Church, b) believes in Christ/Church, and c) is interested in joining the Church, but hasn’t expressed this clearly.  Anything less than this, is not an implicit desire.  
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Continued in the Ghetto: Baptism of Desire and Bishop Williamson on the Newmass
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2018, 11:18:57 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 11, 2018, 03:59:05 PM

Quote from: JPaul on Today at 09:54:23 AM
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or Sean X Johnson?

:laugh1:

this guy is pathetic, isn't he?
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Imagine going that far just to pretend not to be entering the ghetto! Fraudulent double accounts?
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Continued in the Ghetto: Baptism of Desire and Bishop Williamson on the Newmass
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2018, 11:21:54 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 11, 2018, 11:12:40 PM
This is an erroneous application of what ‘implicit’ means.  Implicit does not mean some mysterious, subconscious, spiritual yearning of which the person is not aware.  A person ignorant of baptism CANNOT have an implicit desire of it.  It’s impossible.  

The Modernists have twisted the idea of implicit to mean some ambiguous “yearning for God”.

An implicit desire for baptism necessitates that one a) knows about Christ/Church, b) believes in Christ/Church, and c) is interested in joining the Church, but hasn’t expressed this clearly.  Anything less than this, is not an implicit desire.  
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It has become for some a vague longing for something good, is all. So that suffices, they say, to replace water Baptism.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Continued in the Ghetto: Baptism of Desire and Bishop Williamson on the Newmass
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2018, 11:28:53 PM »
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Implicit Baptism of desire as used today is really something else, it is implicit faith. 
EXACTLY!  And that’s how BOD’ers move from catechumens being saved to an Indian on a deserted island (who is, obviously, a saint-in-waiting and loves God perfectly) - they confuse (or, they’ve BEEN confused by Modernists) implicit desire of a sacrament with knowledge of the Faith.  If one can silently/secretly desire baptism and receive it, why can’t one silently/secretly desire the Faith as well?  Therefore, if one can secretly desire the Faith, therefore, there exist MANY people who have “good will” and who were catholic SECRELTY, as +ABL said, and saved “in spite of their false religions.”

Terrible logic and a terrible understanding of God’s religion.  
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Continued in the Ghetto: Baptism of Desire and Bishop Williamson on the Newmass
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2018, 11:47:58 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 11, 2018, 11:28:53 PM
EXACTLY!  And that’s how BOD’ers move from catechumens being saved to an Indian on a deserted island (who is, obviously, a saint-in-waiting and loves God perfectly) - they confuse (or, they’ve BEEN confused by Modernists) implicit desire of a sacrament with knowledge of the Faith.  If one can silently/secretly desire baptism and receive it, why can’t one silently/secretly desire the Faith as well?  Therefore, if one can secretly desire the Faith, therefore, there exist MANY people who have “good will” and who were catholic SECRELTY, as +ABL said, and saved “in spite of their false religions.”

Terrible logic and a terrible understanding of God’s religion.  
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If only Our Lord had explained it that way from the beginning, imagine all the trouble it would have saved the Church through the centuries. 
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All those missionaries like St. Isaac Jogues and companions risking their lives -- for what? Those noble savages (who chewed off the missionaries' fingers and drank their blood) could have been living virtuous lives without learning about the Church! 
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