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You use irrelevant Catechisms and other irrelevant sources to attack Catholic Dogma.

You use irrelevant Catechisms and other irrelevant sources to attack the clear teaching of the sacred and holy, oecuмenical and general Synod of Trent, lawfully assembled in the Holy Ghost. The highest authority on earth, the infallible Magisterium of the Church including the Vicar of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

You use irrelevant Catechisms and other irrelevant sources ignoring the prohibition of the said Council which is "most strictly forbidding that any henceforth presume to believe, preach, or teach, otherwise than as by this present decree is defined and declared."

Stop to believe and spread false teachings and errors.

Yes, yes:

The popes are irrelevant,

The ecuмenical Council of Trent is irrelevant,

The saints are irrelevant,

The unanimity of theologians is irrelevant,

The catechisms are all irrelevant,

The doctors of the Church are irrelevant,

The only things which are relevant are the confused teachings of Fr. Feeney, and the sophisms he and his followers have constructed to prop them up.

Yes, yes:

The popes are irrelevant

Yes! No pope can change decreed and defined dogma.

The saints are irrelevant

Yes! No saint can change decreed and defined dogma.

The unanimity of theologians is irrelevant

Yes! No consensus of theologians can change decreed and defined dogma.

The catechisms are all irrelevant

Yes! No catechism can change decreed and defined dogma.

The doctors of the Church are irrelevant

Yes! No doctor of the Church can change decreed and defined dogma.

The only things which are relevant are the confused teachings of Fr. Feeney, and the sophisms and heresies he and his followers have constructed to prop them up.

That is a strawman you built yourself. Fr. Feeney can not change decreed and defined dogma.

Yes! No pope can change decreed and defined dogma.


Yes! No saint can change decreed and defined dogma.


Yes! No consensus of theologians can change decreed and defined dogma.


Yes! No catechism can change decreed and defined dogma.


Yes! No doctor of the Church can change decreed and defined dogma.


That is a strawman you built yourself. Fr. Feeney can not change decreed and defined dogma.

Rock on, brother!

I'm with you:

Sedevacante since 1700!    :o

Rock on, brother!

I'm with you:

Sedevacante since 1700!    :o

Again, useless polemic.

We must never use irrelevant fallible teachings to attack decreed and defined Catholic Dogma. We must not attack the Faith itself.

Have a great day, and don't forget to be faithful to "the Dogma!"

Thank you! Have a great day, too.

There is no Faith other than faithful to Catholic Dogma.

The catechumen asks for that Faith immediately before the sacrament of baptism. Receiving the sacrament then, faith, hope, and charity are infused into him. (see link above) That's the way how it works and noone is allowed to believe, preach, or teach otherwise.

X,  Is that you Sean?...................you cannot help yourself, can you?

It was established in the other thread that implicit baptism of desire is de fide (Ott; Alphonsus; Trent)

Baptism of desire could mean anything today, the meaning has changed, like the word gαy. Implicit Baptism of desire as used today is really something else, it is implicit faith.
To my knowledge OTT does not teach that implicit baptism of desire is defide. I have seen St. Alphonsus Ligouri teaching that baptism of desire is defide, however, he also teaches that at a minimum the person must believe in the Incarnation and the Holy Trinity (same as St. Thomas Aquinas). Anyone that believes in the Incarnation and the Holy Trinity, complicated subjects which are only learned by accepting  God's Grace, would surely also know about baptism and desire it too. Nevertheless, the fact that an OTT or even a saint opines that something is defide does not make it defide.

The debate in the other thread was about salvation for Hindus, Buddhist, Jєωs etc. by their belief in a God that rewards, which the writer SJ erroneously called implicit baptism of desire.

Unlike the SSPX which is separated from Rome, the direct spiritual descendants of Fr. Feeney are accepted by Rome and are in union with Rome. Excommunications come from Rome not individuals opinions.

One second on the internet should reveal the truth, even Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeneyism

After Feeney's death, his spiritual descendants soon split into several groups due to various power struggles. The two most prominent both use the name Saint Benedict Center.
Three of these groups exist on or near the land Feeney moved to in Still River, Massachusetts:



The other branch, located in Richmond, New Hampshire, has no official recognition from the Catholic Church.^[6][7] The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) classifies the center in Richmond, as well as the group's publishing arm Immaculate Heart Media, as an anti-Semitic hate group.^[8][7] The SPLC wrote that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary "continue to endorse Feeney and to defend him from charges of anti-Semitism, despite his well-docuмented hatred of the Jєωs" and noted that in 2004, Bishop McCormack had rebuked the group as "blatantly anti-Semitic," and that in 2005, a brother of the Slaves had given a speech calling out the "Jєωιѕн nation" as "the perpetual enemy of Christ."^[8] The center denies being anti-Semitic.^[9][7]
In the 1978, three sisters from Feeney's original group sought to become Benedictine nuns. Nuns from Stanbrook Abbey to help establish their priory, which was formally erected in 1984 as Saint Scholastica Priory.^[10] The nuns were later joined by a group of Benedictine monks who were established as Saint Mary Monastery, a dependent house of Pluscarden Abbey.

The Wiki did not copy and paste above complete, here it is again:

After Feeney's death, his spiritual descendants soon split into several groups due to various power struggles. The two most prominent both use the name Saint Benedict Center.
Three of these groups exist on or near the land Feeney moved to in Still River, Massachusetts:

The other branch, located in Richmond, New Hampshire, has no official recognition from the Catholic Church.^[6][7] The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) classifies the center in Richmond, as well as the group's publishing arm Immaculate Heart Media, as an anti-Semitic hate group.^[8][7] The SPLC wrote that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary "continue to endorse Feeney and to defend him from charges of anti-Semitism, despite his well-docuмented hatred of the Jєωs" and noted that in 2004, Bishop McCormack had rebuked the group as "blatantly anti-Semitic," and that in 2005, a brother of the Slaves had given a speech calling out the "Jєωιѕн nation" as "the perpetual enemy of Christ."^[8] The center denies being anti-Semitic.^[9][7]
In the 1978, three sisters from Feeney's original group sought to become Benedictine nuns. Nuns from Stanbrook Abbey to help establish their priory, which was formally erected in 1984 as Saint Scholastica Priory.^[10] The nuns were later joined by a group of Benedictine monks who were established as Saint Mary Monastery, a dependent house of Pluscarden Abbey.