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Offline AJNC

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Concerning BOB/BOD
« on: July 15, 2017, 11:40:55 PM »
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    Browsing through various Traditional Catholic forums it would appear that almost all are virulently anti "Feeneyite".

    Now it is a fact that to the entire world the Conciliar Church/Sect is the Catholic Church.

    So the Traditional Catholics are accepting and promoting the concepts of BOD/BOB with the Conciliar Church/Sect firmly in place.

    Is there salvation inside the Conciliar Church? If so, what need for Traditional Catholicism?

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    Re: Concerning BOB/BOD
    « Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 12:34:54 AM »
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  • Browsing through various Traditional Catholic forums it would appear that almost all are virulently anti "Feeneyite".

    Now it is a fact that to the entire world the Conciliar Church/Sect is the Catholic Church.

    So the Traditional Catholics are accepting and promoting the concepts of BOD/BOB with the Conciliar Church/Sect firmly in place.

    Is there salvation inside the Conciliar Church? If so, what need for Traditional Catholicism?
    I do not believe so. There is just no excuse any more. There may have been a time when the info about the V2 sect was scarce and not readily available. This is not the case anymore and hasn't been for a while. They don't have the Sacraments and except for the extremely rare occasion of a Baptized person having perfect contrition for their sins, most of them remain in mortal sin.
    I would say that it is not a fact that the "entire" world believes that the V2 sect is the Catholic Church because I think that even here on this Forum there are many who don't believe this. (maybe you were exaggerating when you used the word "entire")
    Traditional Catholicism IS Catholicism, most just make the distinction when evangelizing because a lot of people don't know the current situation. It's not like the N.O. sect is Catholicism and others who adhere to the traditional faith are something else.
    Baptism and the state of grace are what's necessary for Salvation. I just don't believe that it's possible to attain the latter in the V2 sect anymore for various reasons. This fact leaves me heartbroken daily as most of my relatives are N.O.
    John 12:[42] However, many of the chief men also believed in him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, that they might not be cast out of the synagogue. [43] For they loved the glory of men more than the glory of God.


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    Re: Concerning BOB/BOD
    « Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 01:59:49 PM »
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  • I do not believe so. There is just no excuse any more. There may have been a time when the info about the V2 sect was scarce and not readily available. This is not the case anymore and hasn't been for a while. They don't have the Sacraments and except for the extremely rare occasion of a Baptized person having perfect contrition for their sins, most of them remain in mortal sin.

    Judge not, that you may not be judged.
    "There's a mix of passion and shortsightedness in me, even when I'm positive that I'm doing my very best to see things for what they are, that warns me that I'll never know for sure. Undoubtedly I must follow the truth I can see, I have no choice and I must live on; but that is for me only, not to impose on others." - Fr. Leonardo Castellani

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    Re: Concerning BOB/BOD
    « Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 08:48:07 PM »
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  • Judge not, that you may not be judged.
    And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.



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    Re: Concerning BOB/BOD
    « Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 09:21:06 PM »
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  • Is there salvation inside the Conciliar Church? If so, what need for Traditional Catholicism?
    Is there salvation found in a Lutheran sect, Eastern Orthodox building or Jewish synagogue...? If your answer is no, then you may want to ask yourself, how it is that ANYONE could align themselves with the false sect a.k.a. the Novus Ordo that claims there is salvation in the aforementioned without committing a mortal sin? It is plain and simple anyone who engages in a false religion commits a mortal sin. And any punishment that we would receive would be just, because instead of serving God with joy, we serve the enemy.

    What is the need for Traditional Catholicism? Well that it the goal of the false church acting as the Catholic Church to show there is no need.




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    Re: Concerning BOB/BOD
    « Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 01:16:03 AM »
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  • Judge not, that you may not be judged.

    And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
    Exactly. Hypocritcal judgments are what our Lord warns us against.

    St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, II, 30:"… for men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple, and condemn him as a heretic."

    I would like to add that I wasn't making a judgment per se. I was stating the obvious conclusion. If the V2 sect has no valid sacraments, then an act of perfect contrition is all that can save them, assuming they were validly Baptized and hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate. 
    John 12:[42] However, many of the chief men also believed in him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, that they might not be cast out of the synagogue. [43] For they loved the glory of men more than the glory of God.

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    Re: Concerning BOB/BOD
    « Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 08:25:31 AM »
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  • Makes one wonder why even the R&R fear their power.
    Galatians 1; 8
    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.

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    Re: Concerning BOB/BOD
    « Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 12:48:26 PM »
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  • ST. ALPHONSUS LIGUORI (1691-1787)
    Moral Theology (Bk. 6):
    “But baptism of desire is perfect conversion to God by contrition or love of God above all things accompanied by an explicit or implicit desire for true Baptism of water, the place of which it takes as to the remission of guilt, but not as to the impression of the [baptismal] character or as to the removal of all debt of punishment. It is called “of wind␅ [flaminis] because it takes place by the impulse of the Holy Ghost Who is called a wind [flamen]. Now it is de fide that men are also saved by Baptism of desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam De Presbytero Non Baptizato and the Council of Trent, Session 6, Chapter 4, where it is said that no one can be saved “without the laver of regeneration or the desire for it.”
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: Concerning BOB/BOD
    « Reply #8 on: August 07, 2017, 01:36:50 PM »
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  • So LoT did hit-and-run spam jobs on about a half dozen different threads today.

    He's cracking up again.

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    Re: Concerning BOB/BOD
    « Reply #9 on: August 07, 2017, 01:38:08 PM »
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  • FR. ALOYSIA SABETTI, S.J., FR. TIMOTHEO BARRETT, S.J., Compendium Theologiae Moralis, Tractatus XII [De Baptismo, Chapter I, 1926:
    Baptism, the gate and foundation of the Sacraments, in fact or at least in desire, is necessary for all unto salvation...
    >From the Baptism of water, which is called of river (Baptismus fluminis), is from Baptism of the Spirit (Baptismus flaminis) and Baptism of Blood, by which Baptism properly speaking can be supplied, if this be impossible. The first one is a full conversion to God through perfect contrition or charity, in so far as it contains an either explicit or at least implicit will to receive Baptism of water... Baptism of Spirit (flaminis) and Baptism of Blood are called Baptism of desire (in voto).
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

     

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