Author Topic: CM makes good point against BoD!!! (Read 22788 times)

SJB · « **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2009, 05:47:16 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Quote from: Lover of Truth
No obstinate wrangling or impious inquiry as to the subjective guild of another.

Actually there is an unlawful inquiry we can make. But I am not the one making it. Here ou go, form the very teaching some claim teaches that invincible ignorance saves:

Quote from: Pope Pius IX
For, in truth, when released from these corporeal chains 'we shall see God as He is' (1 John 3.2), we shall understand perfectly by how close and beautiful a bond divine mercy and justice are united; but as long as we are on earth, weighed down by this mortal mass which blunts the soul, let us hold most firmly that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, there is "one God, one faith, one baptism" (Eph. 4.5); it is unlawful to proceed further in inquiry.

This is a lie. Nobody here who opposes your ramblings believes that ignorance of any kind saves.

Invincible ignorance can EXCUSE some transgressions of the law. This should seem quite obvious to any person of normal intelligence.

Are you denying there is such a thing as invincible (inculpable) ignorance?

SJB · « **Reply #36 on:** October 07, 2009, 05:50:02 AM »

Quote from: clare

Quote from: Jehanne
As one priest (having since died) told me, Purgatory is going to be a giant RCIA program for people.

God would never be that merciless!

That would be harmful, wouldn't it? An RCIA program, that is.

clare · « **Reply #37 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:36:32 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: clare
Quote from: Jehanne
As one priest (having since died) told me, Purgatory is going to be a giant RCIA program for people.

God would never be that merciless!

That would be harmful, wouldn't it? An RCIA program, that is.

It certainly would. One doesn't expect to go to Purgatory only to end up believing in Catholicism-lite!

Jehanne · « **Reply #38 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:05:17 AM »

Lover of Truth: Of course people in those sects you named would not be saved because of their religion or by it but due to their sincerity of heart.

This is heresy or at least proximate to heresy. They would be saved because of explicit faith in Jesus Christ, which, I am claiming, they could receive at the moment of death in the fullness of Christian revelation, which they could, of course, accept or reject. I suppose that it would be akin to some sort of Near-Death experience. If a Buddhist goes to Heaven, it will be a Christian Heaven that he/she finds himself/herself in, and he/she will be worshiping, for all Eternity, the One and Only Son of God. Right?

It is completely conceivable that the One and Triune God being infinite, uncaused, omniscience, omnipotent, and omnipresent could insure that such non-Catholics whom He was going to offer salutary repentance would receive the Sacrament of Baptism during their infancies. To say otherwise would be to deny the attributes of God. If you accept the creation of the Universe ex nihilo, then you must accept the possibility of God doing this, or at least His capability in doing it.

Jehanne · « **Reply #39 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:06:37 AM »

Quote from: clare

Quote from: SJB
Quote from: clare
Quote from: Jehanne
As one priest (having since died) told me, Purgatory is going to be a giant RCIA program for people.

God would never be that merciless!

That would be harmful, wouldn't it? An RCIA program, that is.

It certainly would. One doesn't expect to go to Purgatory only to end up believing in Catholicism-lite!

I am sure that Saints Thomas & Augustine will be writing the curriculum. No doubt that they have at this time the fullness of Revelation.