No obstinate wrangling or impious inquiry as to the subjective guild of another.

Actually there is an unlawful inquiry we can make.  But I am not the one making it.  Here ou go, form the very teaching some claim teaches that invincible ignorance saves:

For, in truth, when released from these corporeal chains 'we shall see God as He is' (1 John 3.2), we shall understand perfectly by how close and beautiful a bond divine mercy and justice are united; but as long as we are on earth, weighed down by this mortal mass which blunts the soul, let us hold most firmly that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, there is "one God, one faith, one baptism" (Eph. 4.5); it is unlawful to proceed further in inquiry.

What on earth are you talking about?

As one priest (having since died) told me, Purgatory is going to be a giant RCIA program for people.

God would never be that merciless!

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As one priest (having since died) told me, Purgatory is going to be a giant RCIA program for people.

God would never be that merciless!

That would be harmful, wouldn't it? An RCIA program, that is.

Lover of Truth:  Of course people in those sects you named would not be saved because of their religion or by it but due to their sincerity of heart.

This is heresy or at least proximate to heresy.  They would be saved because of explicit faith in Jesus Christ, which, I am claiming, they could receive at the moment of death in the fullness of Christian revelation, which they could, of course, accept or reject.  I suppose that it would be akin to some sort of Near-Death experience.  If a Buddhist goes to Heaven, it will be a Christian Heaven that he/she finds himself/herself in, and he/she will be worshiping, for all Eternity, the One and Only Son of God.  Right?

It is completely conceivable that the One and Triune God being infinite, uncaused, omniscience, omnipotent, and omnipresent could insure that such non-Catholics whom He was going to offer salutary repentance would receive the Sacrament of Baptism during their infancies.  To say otherwise would be to deny the attributes of God.  If you accept the creation of the Universe ex nihilo, then you must accept the possibility of God doing this, or at least His capability in doing it.

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As one priest (having since died) told me, Purgatory is going to be a giant RCIA program for people.

God would never be that merciless!

That would be harmful, wouldn't it? An RCIA program, that is.

It certainly would. One doesn't expect to go to Purgatory only to end up believing in Catholicism-lite!

I am sure that Saints Thomas & Augustine will be writing the curriculum.  No doubt that they have at this time the fullness of Revelation.

Like you have right now, huh Jehanne?

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No obstinate wrangling or impious inquiry as to the subjective guild of another.

Actually there is an unlawful inquiry we can make.  But I am not the one making it.  Here ou go, form the very teaching some claim teaches that invincible ignorance saves:

Quote from: Pope Pius IX

For, in truth, when released from these corporeal chains 'we shall see God as He is' (1 John 3.2), we shall understand perfectly by how close and beautiful a bond divine mercy and justice are united; but as long as we are on earth, weighed down by this mortal mass which blunts the soul, let us hold most firmly that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, there is "one God, one faith, one baptism" (Eph. 4.5); it is unlawful to proceed further in inquiry.

This is a lie. Nobody here who opposes your ramblings believes that ignorance of any kind saves.

Invincible ignorance can EXCUSE some transgressions of the law. This should seem quite obvious to any person of normal intelligence.

Are you denying there is such a thing as invincible (inculpable) ignorance?

That is correct.  Ignorance does not damn a man but NEITHER does it save him.

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Lover of Truth:  Of course people in those sects you named would not be saved because of their religion or by it but due to their sincerity of heart.

This is heresy or at least proximate to heresy.  They would be saved because of explicit faith in Jesus Christ, which, I am claiming, they could receive at the moment of death in the fullness of Christian revelation, which they could, of course, accept or reject.  I suppose that it would be akin to some sort of Near-Death experience.  If a Buddhist goes to Heaven, it will be a Christian Heaven that he/she finds himself/herself in, and he/she will be worshiping, for all Eternity, the One and Only Son of God.  Right?

It is completely conceivable that the One and Triune God being infinite, uncaused, omniscience, omnipotent, and omnipresent could insure that such non-Catholics whom He was going to offer salutary repentance would receive the Sacrament of Baptism during their infancies.  To say otherwise would be to deny the attributes of God.  If you accept the creation of the Universe ex nihilo, then you must accept the possibility of God doing this, or at least His capability in doing it.

What you say is true regarding His capability of administering BOB/D as well.

Baptism with water is a necessity of means, not an intrinsic necessity.

God uses physical things such as water, oil, bread, the sound of the Priests voice to do invisible works through visible substances but those visible substances are not of intrinsic necessity for those works to be done, ergo Baptism of Desire, Penance of Desire, Spiritual Communion.  Of cours with the first two they must by Phisically administered if and when this becomes possible.

It is de fide that explicit faith in Jesus Christ is necessary for salvation, and with it, the vow, at least implicit, for Baptism.  If you do not acknowledge this, then you are a heretic, and I have nothing further to say to you.