Born again, means sanctifyig grace. I am taking about "de fide", not aspects of the teaching.

To flat out reject it as an opinion COULD be considered rash, temerious.

BUT there are REASONS people are confused about this. (hint) IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CRISIS IN THE CHURCH AND CHURCH MEMBERSHIP!

Nobody needs you telling them they will burn in hell because they don't hold BOD at the same level of theological note that either you or St. Alphonsus did.

This ISN'T EVEN REMOTELY similar to the arguments of the SVs which are made to DEFEND dogmas.

Why were the BOD opinions developed as a theological opinion in the first place - go look it up.

You insult me, by creating stupid threads, which should never exist.

If you just did you homework or asked questions instead of shooting your mouth off - that would be better.

Everybody has at least one good thing to share - but for you - this ain't it.

If you keep at this your going to get shredded.

You are NOT up to the task - so just quite while you can.

The only ones who promote a BOD are already baptized. If anyone can post proof of an unbaptized person promoting it, please post it.

Are you suggesting St. Alphonsus called into question a previously solemnly defined dogma?

I am asking whether you think he objectively did or not.

Are you suggesting that I'm suggesting St. Alphonsus knowingly taught something that was contrary to Trent?

If you can reconcile what Trent teaches with St. Alphonsus' definition of BOD, by all means go ahead. I am willing to learn

[CANON IV.-If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous; and that, without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema.[

11.  Can. 4:  Si quis dixerit sacramenta novae legis non esse ad salutem necessaria, sed superflua; et sine eis aut eorum voto per solam fidem homines a Deo gratiam justificationis adipisci, licet omnia singulis necessaria non siut, anathema sit."

12.  The heretics say that no sacrament is necessary, inasmuch as they hold that man is justified by faith alone, and that the sacraments only serve to excite and nourish this faith, which (as they say) can be equally excited and nourished by preaching.  But this is certainly false, and is condemned in the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth canons:  for as we know from the Scriptures, some of the sacraments are necessary (necessitate Medii) as a means without which salvation is impossible. Thus Baptism is necessary for all, Penance for them who have fallen into sin after Baptism, and the Eucharist is necessary for all at least in desire ( in voto)