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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Claiming something is not "de fide" still has hellish consequences
« Reply #145 on: December 20, 2025, 10:35:00 AM »
The 1917 Code does not teach faith and morals to the Universal Church, and it does not bind the Universal Church in its entirety. If the 1917 Code is correct, then the prior practice was incorrect.

Nice trap with "useless", too bad you didn't have the satisfaction of its success :laugh2:

Now, what is the "usefulness" of the reversal of the prior practice, and the implementation of the current Canon? I don't know. I don't need to know. I didn't make the law, I don't know the reasoning of whoever wrote that Canon. But the law's the law, of course

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Offline Freind

Re: Claiming something is not "de fide" still has hellish consequences
« Reply #146 on: December 20, 2025, 10:45:38 AM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on December 20, 2025, 10:35:00 AM
The 1917 Code does not teach faith and morals to the Universal Church, and it does not bind the Universal Church in its entirety. If the 1917 Code is correct, then the prior practice was incorrect.

Nice trap with "useless", too bad you didn't have the satisfaction of its success :laugh2:

Now, what is the "usefulness" of the reversal of the prior practice, and the implementation of the current Canon? I don't know. I don't need to know. I didn't make the law, I don't know the reasoning of whoever wrote that Canon. But the law's the law, of course

Just like Stubborn, you can't say when "the Church" does some thing. Look what V2 has done to you.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Claiming something is not "de fide" still has hellish consequences
« Reply #147 on: December 20, 2025, 11:04:56 AM »
Quote from: Freind on December 20, 2025, 09:07:21 AM
Yes, it is infallible. It is "the Church" that does it, and it cannot do anything against morals and faith to the whole Church. This is not "papal infallibility". It is the Church infallibility. St. Thomas says it is a BLASPHEMY to say THE CHURCH does anything harmful or even "useless". You willing to commit blasphemy?

I wonder whether you even read all I responded with. The examples I gave were all changes, all useful and good.
No, The Church does not make Canon Laws, the pope does. Popes are infallible when they define a doctrine Ex Cathedra, popes are not infallible in the exercise of their legislative power; they are entirely capable of enacting both foolish and bad laws, of commanding that which is foolish and that which is sinful. Although likely blasphemous to you, this is the truth.

If you disagree, and it seems you do, then you do not understand papal infallibility, nor the difference between that and the Church's infallibility - which is something that is often (not always) distinct from papal infallibility. 

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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Claiming something is not "de fide" still has hellish consequences
« Reply #148 on: December 20, 2025, 11:10:30 AM »
Quote from: Freind on December 20, 2025, 10:45:38 AM
Just like Stubborn, you can't say when "the Church" does some thing. Look what V2 has done to you.
You're talking gibberish now

How's this: "The Church" does teach that the sacrament of baptism is necessary for salvation

"'The Church" does not teach BOD as a Dogma to be believed and professed by all the faithful

At the end of the day, you have your opinion. I have mine.
You can imbibe the Cekadan bitter zeal and condemn all those who do not agree with your opinion as being guilty of mortal sin.

Or, you can be honest, have some humility, and admit that no Council or no Pope has ever taught BOD to the Universal Church
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Offline Freind

Re: Claiming something is not "de fide" still has hellish consequences
« Reply #149 on: December 20, 2025, 11:36:46 AM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on December 20, 2025, 11:10:30 AM
You're talking gibberish now

How's this: "The Church" does teach that the sacrament of baptism is necessary for salvation

"'The Church" does not teach BOD as a Dogma to be believed and professed by all the faithful

At the end of the day, you have your opinion. I have mine.
You can imbibe the Cekadan bitter zeal and condemn all those who do not agree with your opinion as being guilty of mortal sin.

Or, you can be honest, have some humility, and admit that no Council or no Pope has ever taught BOD to the Universal Church

I haven't condemned anyone. I am being honest. But you think "the Church" only "does" some thing when it teaches solemnly in the magisterium. You are SO wrong. It does approves of liturgy, did you know that?
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