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Re: Claiming something is not "de fide" still has hellish consequences
« Reply #130 on: December 19, 2025, 04:47:22 PM »
Yet another reason I can't really abide BoD theory is in its minimizing the role / function of the Sacramental character, having reduced it to the point of triviality, to the point where it's just a badge of honor that some in Heaven have and some do not, and something that serves as a non-repeatability marker or indicator.  Other Sacramental characters effect an ontological change in the recipient ... and that change consists of communicating various divine potencies to human beings who lack these potencies (aka faculties) by nature.  We do not have a natural faculty or capability or potency to see God as He is, but the Sacramental character is what communicates that faculty to human beings, just as Holy Orders communicates the faculty to human beings to act in the power of Christ Himself, where they can forgive sins, offer the Holy Sacrifice, as if they were Christ, receiving a divine power.  What "divine power" do we get from this trivialized and borderline-meaningless character from Baptism?  According to most, practically nothing, since centuries of BoD theory have gutted the significance of the Baptismal character.

Canon law says that unbaptized catechumens can go to heaven. Why do you keep running away from this?

Re: Claiming something is not "de fide" still has hellish consequences
« Reply #131 on: December 19, 2025, 04:54:41 PM »
Canon law canon law canon law canon law canon law canon law canon law canon law :incense:

The practice of the Church used to be to refuse Christian burial to unbaptized Catechumens...1917 Code says it is to be permitted. Was the Church incorrect before? Correct now? Correct before, and incorrect now?

The 1917 Code is the ecclesiastical law of the Latin Church, it is not intended to teach faith and morals to the universal Church. It's not even binding on the universal Church. One of the very first canons makes clear that the Code in its entirety does not bind the Oriental Churches

Point is, Canon Law is not infallible


Re: Claiming something is not "de fide" still has hellish consequences
« Reply #132 on: December 19, 2025, 05:20:37 PM »
Canon law canon law canon law canon law canon law canon law canon law canon law :incense:

The practice of the Church used to be to refuse Christian burial to unbaptized Catechumens...1917 Code says it is to be permitted. Was the Church incorrect before? Correct now? Correct before, and incorrect now?

The 1917 Code is the ecclesiastical law of the Latin Church, it is not intended to teach faith and morals to the universal Church. It's not even binding on the universal Church. One of the very first canons makes clear that the Code in its entirety does not bind the Oriental Churches

Point is, Canon Law is not infallible

So, you are saying it was useless for the Church to officially allow a requiem for a catechumen who died before baptism?

Re: Claiming something is not "de fide" still has hellish consequences
« Reply #133 on: December 19, 2025, 05:44:56 PM »
So, you are saying it was useless for the Church to officially allow a requiem for a catechumen who died before baptism?
Was it useless to forbid it?

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Re: Claiming something is not "de fide" still has hellish consequences
« Reply #134 on: December 19, 2025, 05:49:48 PM »
Why do you condemn with is in canon law of 1917, Stubborn?
Why do you condemn St. Alphonsus, Freind?

I do not condemn anything, or anyone, but fyi, Canon Law is not the Church. It can be argued that there is still time for theological debate regarding the whole issue because the Church has not officially and explicitly condemned the whole idea of a BOD yet.