Author Topic: Church should not pursue conversion of Jews, says B16 (Read 8351 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #45 on:** March 12, 2011, 09:05:33 AM »

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BTW, what is the specific gravity of dog turd?

About the same as your arguments.

See, this is a decent retort. I (naturally) disagree, but I must give credit where it is due. Yes, you completely (and wisely) avoided the substance of the post, but I am neither surprised nor disappointed.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #46 on:** March 12, 2011, 02:38:56 PM »

Truce, Eamon. I was dumb enough to do my part to let the devil reduce our conversation to petty bickering, but I'm not dumb enough to let it go on. Sorry if I was rash and uncharitable in anything I said.

I would converse diplomatically about JXII, but I really have neither the desire nor the time & energy.

I'd rather devote what little of these I have to a simple discussion of BXVI's latest comments. Most importantly, a logical blow by blow of why his comments are crazy, with the canonical question of whether he is Pope, aside.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #47 on:** March 12, 2011, 05:47:16 PM »

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Truce, Eamon...Sorry if I was rash and uncharitable in anything I said.

Sounds good to me, amigo :)

I accept your apology and offer you an apology, too, for having given any kind of offense. Godspeed, stevus.

Caraffa · « **Reply #48 on:** March 12, 2011, 09:05:28 PM »

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Do you have proof to back up that Ratzinger was on Pius XII's list of heretics?

It should also be noted for that John XXIII was considered suspect of heresy under St. Pius X.

Baskerville · « **Reply #49 on:** March 12, 2011, 10:44:37 PM »

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Do you have proof to back up that Ratzinger was on Pius XII's list of heretics?

It should also be noted for that John XXIII was considered suspect of heresy under St. Pius X.

I didn't know that one. Seems like all the Popes and Prelates involved in the post VII Church were all heretics. Makes ya wonder. :scratchchin:

hollingsworth · « **Reply #50 on:** March 13, 2011, 08:44:54 AM »

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I'm totally floored. He truly has a warped notion of the early Church and salvation. Of course this is his "private opinion" say the Neo Caths. What insanity... Sigh

I would say that a "warped notion" of the early Church and salvation does not quite explain the pope's utterances. He, in fact, totally denies the history of the early Church. Every single Biblical verse and passage depicting a missionary effort to convert the jews is implicitly denied. Had Sts. Paul and Peter subscribed to Ratzinger's formula for an automatic future conversion of the jews, there would have been no early Church- no Church period, since all of the early Church was composed of Jєωιѕн converts. Just look at the Acts of the Apostles. Not until you get to chapter 10 of that book, do you have one recorded gentile Christian convert. Ratzinger is a no-holds-barred heretic!

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #51 on:** March 13, 2011, 04:14:39 PM »

I suppose he is saying Christ converted an original # of Jews and then they were sent out to convert the Gentiles? If some Jews wanted to join them, then fine, but their mission was not to convert existing Jews? I'm not sure how he holds this position with a straight face, if this is it.