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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2017, 12:17:31 PM »
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    All you have to do, is name one circuмstance in which God is unable, unwilling,  cannot or otherwise will not provide the actual sacrament for the sincere catechumen who is in the state of justification and who is about to die.


    Don't shirk the answer I already gave you. The Church's laws are God speaking to us, and God says that the dead catechumen should have a Requiem Mass said for his soul, in case he went to purgatory. Which means that God WILL NOT always prevent the death of a catechumen just because he was in the state of grace already.

    If you condemn that law, you commit blasphemy by saying the Church has done something in vain:

    "it would be blasphemy to say that the Church does anything in vain" - St. Thomas Aquinas


    Don't avoid the question, simply name one circuмstance, that is all I ask.

    Because you believe the Church teaches a BOD, you only prove that you have no idea what the Church teaches.

    Let us start with these principles - and these must never be out of our minds no matter what the prevailing sentiments or mood of society is, no matter where one is, one must always be convinced of these principles.

    The first of which is almighty God is a main participant in all things that happen no matter how invisible or imperceptible. Almighty God is active in the lives of all individuals at all times and He is a participant in the events that occur. From our point of view, things may seem to be accidental or coincidental or altogether unpredictable, but God, despite all appearances, is the Master of His world, He has His hand in all things.

    Further, all that He does, the reason why He is such a participant is that He has in mind the salvation of souls. That is why he created each one of us, His chief motive and all that He does has as the chief purpose to save souls. And in the life of each one of us, we must be convinced that God is always active and His activities no matter how altogether imperceptible or deniable or questionable or seemingly unreasonable, are for our salvation.
     
    His activity has to do with converting us to Himself for our salvation sake. We have to accept this even if the world has turned totally pagan and even if we may turn away from Him and give Him no regard. Even if we or anyone else is totally unscrupulous, totally unconcerned about one soul, almighty God is never unconcerned and never inactive with regard to the salvation of souls. This is HIs  total concern comparatively speaking.

    We go about our lives mostly doing day to day things without a thought about God's providence, but if God were to do the same and simply let the world run on auto-pilot as all BODers apparently believe, then in an instant this world would cease to be.

    After all God does at every moment in time and after all He provides aimed at the salvation of everyone He created, to promote the lie that He does not provide the sacrament to one who sincerely desires it before they die is a very serious insult directly against God. You can trust that when you stand before Him in your particular judgement, that He will judge you justly for the insults you promote  against Him and His Divine Providence.    



    I avoid trying to stick square pegs into round holes. Which is what your question amounts to. God is not seen, and sanctifying grace is not seen, so you are asking an impossibility to point to a catechumen by name and claim he died with sanctifying grace and without the Sacrament of Baptism. Are you okay?

    The Church is the voice of God, and that voice tells us by Her official discipline that a catechumen can die without the Sacrament, but still go to purgatory. Your rejection of that fact is both blasphemous and heretical. Seriously, you are not okay.


    Yea, you can't answer because there is no answer.  Bod is a useless but damaging extrapolation, destroying the need for the Sacrament of Baptism along with the Faith itself.    


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    « Reply #31 on: March 10, 2017, 12:57:56 PM »
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    All you have to do, is name one circuмstance in which God is unable, unwilling,  cannot or otherwise will not provide the actual sacrament for the sincere catechumen who is in the state of justification and who is about to die.


    Don't shirk the answer I already gave you. The Church's laws are God speaking to us, and God says that the dead catechumen should have a Requiem Mass said for his soul, in case he went to purgatory. Which means that God WILL NOT always prevent the death of a catechumen just because he was in the state of grace already.

    If you condemn that law, you commit blasphemy by saying the Church has done something in vain:

    "it would be blasphemy to say that the Church does anything in vain" - St. Thomas Aquinas


    Don't avoid the question, simply name one circuмstance, that is all I ask.

    Because you believe the Church teaches a BOD, you only prove that you have no idea what the Church teaches.

    Let us start with these principles - and these must never be out of our minds no matter what the prevailing sentiments or mood of society is, no matter where one is, one must always be convinced of these principles.

    The first of which is almighty God is a main participant in all things that happen no matter how invisible or imperceptible. Almighty God is active in the lives of all individuals at all times and He is a participant in the events that occur. From our point of view, things may seem to be accidental or coincidental or altogether unpredictable, but God, despite all appearances, is the Master of His world, He has His hand in all things.

    Further, all that He does, the reason why He is such a participant is that He has in mind the salvation of souls. That is why he created each one of us, His chief motive and all that He does has as the chief purpose to save souls. And in the life of each one of us, we must be convinced that God is always active and His activities no matter how altogether imperceptible or deniable or questionable or seemingly unreasonable, are for our salvation.
     
    His activity has to do with converting us to Himself for our salvation sake. We have to accept this even if the world has turned totally pagan and even if we may turn away from Him and give Him no regard. Even if we or anyone else is totally unscrupulous, totally unconcerned about one soul, almighty God is never unconcerned and never inactive with regard to the salvation of souls. This is HIs  total concern comparatively speaking.

    We go about our lives mostly doing day to day things without a thought about God's providence, but if God were to do the same and simply let the world run on auto-pilot as all BODers apparently believe, then in an instant this world would cease to be.

    After all God does at every moment in time and after all He provides aimed at the salvation of everyone He created, to promote the lie that He does not provide the sacrament to one who sincerely desires it before they die is a very serious insult directly against God. You can trust that when you stand before Him in your particular judgement, that He will judge you justly for the insults you promote  against Him and His Divine Providence.    



    I avoid trying to stick square pegs into round holes. Which is what your question amounts to. God is not seen, and sanctifying grace is not seen, so you are asking an impossibility to point to a catechumen by name and claim he died with sanctifying grace and without the Sacrament of Baptism. Are you okay?


    First, the sacrament, being an outwards sign to give grace, is indeed seen. This is basic, elementary catechism: Q. What is a Sacrament? A. A Sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace.

    You dodge the question with a confused reply, but it is a clear question that, FYI  has a clear answer if you know your faith - or, you don't really even have to know your faith, you just have to at least know what the Church teaches and you should be able to answer the clear question with a clear answer.

    Now I gave you Her teachings above regarding God's Providence, certainly even you cannot deny that there is a contradiction between His Providential activity and a complete lack of it - as is the case with a BOD.



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    The Church is the voice of God, and that voice tells us by Her official discipline that a catechumen can die without the Sacrament, but still go to purgatory. Your rejection of that fact is both blasphemous and heretical. Seriously, you are not okay.


    No, that is not true at all. You only prove you do not know what the Church teaches nor do you know the Catholic faith at all when you promote such ridiculous claims that it's the Church's official discipline that "a catechumen can die without baptism and still go to purgatory."  

    If God can arrange for you to be in the Church, by the very same Providence He can arrange for anyone else who desires or is willing to enter it. There is absolutely no obstacle to the invincible God's achieving His designs, except the intractable wills of His children.

    So if you are going to promote a BOD and you want to change the hearts of us evil feeneyites, then promote a BOD using only the doctrine of Divine Providence - IOW show us how you apply God's Providence with a BOD.

    Good luck.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #32 on: March 10, 2017, 02:24:11 PM »
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  • This Humpty Bumphrey guy is a classic example of people who fall for false and contradictory doctrine just because somebody claims its Catholic doctrine. Like Francis undermining the teaching on marriage. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. What is most horrifying, is that when faced with deplorable fallout of bod: that it undermines the doctrine of the necessity of Baptism, denies the doctrine of the necessity of Church membership for salvation, makes Popes, scripture, saints, even Jesus Himself all liars, breeds laxity of Faith, feeds into the modern notion that all men can be saved (by bod of course), and all with the knowledge that for those who qualify, there is a Catholic alternative (a special situation God permits that includes the Sacrament) that does not offend Church doctrine, still, these stone-hearted people don't even bat an eye, but continue to insist there is salvation outside the Church and outside the Sacraments! This isn't any ordinary misunderstanding. This is malice.    

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    « Reply #33 on: March 10, 2017, 05:23:43 PM »
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    More "negative infallibility" clown-foolery. I wonder if one of these jokers is actually Nado.


    Papal Infallibility is said to have the character of being "negative" because God externally prevents error. It not something the pope has or performs.

    What are you talking about?
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    Today, only Catholics holding the sedevacantist position are free from the anguish entailed by this truth.

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    « Reply #34 on: March 10, 2017, 06:43:33 PM »
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  • Humpty Dumpty is falling down.  He's out there on one of the main blvds of cathinfo hailing supporters to bear him up on eagle's wings (thumbs-up).  After getting pounded he needs to bring in the crowds to try to drum up sympathy and support.

     :facepalm:


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    « Reply #35 on: March 10, 2017, 06:46:53 PM »
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    Humpty Dumpty is falling down.  He's out there on one of the main blvds of cathinfo hailing supporters to bear him up on eagle's wings (thumbs-up).  After getting pounded he needs to bring in the crowds to try to drum up sympathy and support.

     :facepalm:


     :facepalm:  Sounds like your insecure of your position, but I merely asked for statistics of either thumbs up OR down. I don't care either way; I like statistics.
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    « Reply #36 on: March 10, 2017, 06:58:41 PM »
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    Humpty Dumpty is falling down.  He's out there on one of the main blvds of cathinfo hailing supporters to bear him up on eagle's wings (thumbs-up).  After getting pounded he needs to bring in the crowds to try to drum up sympathy and support.

     :facepalm:


     :facepalm:  Sounds like your insecure of your position, but I merely asked for statistics of either thumbs up OR down. I don't care either way; I like statistics.



    Oh, look at me, real insecure in my position.   :roll-laugh1:  

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    « Reply #37 on: March 10, 2017, 07:11:01 PM »
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    Humpty Dumpty is falling down.  He's out there on one of the main blvds of cathinfo hailing supporters to bear him up on eagle's wings (thumbs-up).  After getting pounded he needs to bring in the crowds to try to drum up sympathy and support.

     :facepalm:


     :facepalm:  Sounds like your insecure of your position, but I merely asked for statistics of either thumbs up OR down. I don't care either way; I like statistics.



    Oh, look at me, real insecure in my position.   :roll-laugh1:  


    Yup, just read your previous post.
    "there can be no holiness where there is disagreement with the pope" - Pope St. Pius X

    Today, only Catholics holding the sedevacantist position are free from the anguish entailed by this truth.


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    « Reply #38 on: March 10, 2017, 07:54:31 PM »
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    All you have to do, is name one circuмstance in which God is unable, unwilling,  cannot or otherwise will not provide the actual sacrament for the sincere catechumen who is in the state of justification and who is about to die.


    Don't shirk the answer I already gave you. The Church's laws are God speaking to us, and God says that the dead catechumen should have a Requiem Mass said for his soul, in case he went to purgatory. Which means that God WILL NOT always prevent the death of a catechumen just because he was in the state of grace already.

    If you condemn that law, you commit blasphemy by saying the Church has done something in vain:

    "it would be blasphemy to say that the Church does anything in vain" - St. Thomas Aquinas


    Don't avoid the question, simply name one circuмstance, that is all I ask.

    Because you believe the Church teaches a BOD, you only prove that you have no idea what the Church teaches.

    Let us start with these principles - and these must never be out of our minds no matter what the prevailing sentiments or mood of society is, no matter where one is, one must always be convinced of these principles.

    The first of which is almighty God is a main participant in all things that happen no matter how invisible or imperceptible. Almighty God is active in the lives of all individuals at all times and He is a participant in the events that occur. From our point of view, things may seem to be accidental or coincidental or altogether unpredictable, but God, despite all appearances, is the Master of His world, He has His hand in all things.

    Further, all that He does, the reason why He is such a participant is that He has in mind the salvation of souls. That is why he created each one of us, His chief motive and all that He does has as the chief purpose to save souls. And in the life of each one of us, we must be convinced that God is always active and His activities no matter how altogether imperceptible or deniable or questionable or seemingly unreasonable, are for our salvation.
     
    His activity has to do with converting us to Himself for our salvation sake. We have to accept this even if the world has turned totally pagan and even if we may turn away from Him and give Him no regard. Even if we or anyone else is totally unscrupulous, totally unconcerned about one soul, almighty God is never unconcerned and never inactive with regard to the salvation of souls. This is HIs  total concern comparatively speaking.

    We go about our lives mostly doing day to day things without a thought about God's providence, but if God were to do the same and simply let the world run on auto-pilot as all BODers apparently believe, then in an instant this world would cease to be.

    After all God does at every moment in time and after all He provides aimed at the salvation of everyone He created, to promote the lie that He does not provide the sacrament to one who sincerely desires it before they die is a very serious insult directly against God. You can trust that when you stand before Him in your particular judgement, that He will judge you justly for the insults you promote  against Him and His Divine Providence.    

      This is very true, Stubborn. I think of these lovely and most consoling principles everytime I read the Introit of the Mass for the Feast of the Sacred Heart: The thoughts of His Heart are from generation unto generation: the save them in the time of death and to feed them in the time of death [famine].  BOD is totally unnecessary for an all-good, omnipotent, and omnipresent God.

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    « Reply #39 on: March 10, 2017, 08:47:44 PM »
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  • Exactly right:  What is a sacrament?

    A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace.

    DESIRE is anything but an outward sign.  

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    « Reply #40 on: March 10, 2017, 09:55:40 PM »
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    Exactly right:  What is a sacrament?

    A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace.

    DESIRE is anything but an outward sign.  


    End of story


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    « Reply #41 on: March 11, 2017, 09:22:58 AM »
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    Exactly right:  What is a sacrament?

    A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace.

    DESIRE is anything but an outward sign.  


    End of story


    How silly.

    The approved Catholic books plainly say that baptism of desire is NOT the Sacrament. So what's the deal here?

    Desire?  How banal. You really argue against something you REALLY do not understand, and it shows over, and over, and over again here.

    The "desire" in "baptism of desire" is an INTENSE act of the WILL where God in His mercy grants the gift of the Holy Ghost to transform the soul into a state of sanctifying grace, and the subject doesn't know this. Nobody but God knows it.

    The "desire" here is not merely a common, "Hey, you know what, I'd really would like to be in God's favor."

    It's the same act that can happen to a Catholic before going to confession, where an intense act of love and sorry cleanses the soul, which is perfect contrition. According to the Catechism of the Council of Trent, it's not something can easily be done....and, of course, a person doesn't know it, so Confession is always in order.
    "there can be no holiness where there is disagreement with the pope" - Pope St. Pius X

    Today, only Catholics holding the sedevacantist position are free from the anguish entailed by this truth.

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    « Reply #42 on: March 11, 2017, 09:34:35 AM »
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    Exactly right:  What is a sacrament?

    A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace.

    DESIRE is anything but an outward sign.  


    End of story


    How silly.

    The approved Catholic books plainly say that baptism of desire is NOT the Sacrament. So what's the deal here?

    Desire?  How banal. You really argue against something you REALLY do not understand, and it shows over, and over, and over again here.

    The "desire" in "baptism of desire" is an INTENSE act of the WILL where God in His mercy grants the gift of the Holy Ghost to transform the soul into a state of sanctifying grace, and the subject doesn't know this. Nobody but God knows it.

    The "desire" here is not merely a common, "Hey, you know what, I'd really would like to be in God's favor."

    It's the same act that can happen to a Catholic before going to confession, where an intense act of love and sorry cleanses the soul, which is perfect contrition. According to the Catechism of the Council of Trent, it's not something can easily be done....and, of course, a person doesn't know it, so Confession is always in order.


    So Jesus lied when He said...

    "Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

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    « Reply #43 on: March 11, 2017, 09:38:19 AM »
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    Exactly right:  What is a sacrament?

    A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace.

    DESIRE is anything but an outward sign.  


    End of story


    How silly.

    The approved Catholic books plainly say that baptism of desire is NOT the Sacrament. So what's the deal here?

    Desire?  How banal. You really argue against something you REALLY do not understand, and it shows over, and over, and over again here.

    The "desire" in "baptism of desire" is an INTENSE act of the WILL where God in His mercy grants the gift of the Holy Ghost to transform the soul into a state of sanctifying grace, and the subject doesn't know this. Nobody but God knows it.

    The "desire" here is not merely a common, "Hey, you know what, I'd really would like to be in God's favor."

    It's the same act that can happen to a Catholic before going to confession, where an intense act of love and sorry cleanses the soul, which is perfect contrition. According to the Catechism of the Council of Trent, it's not something can easily be done....and, of course, a person doesn't know it, so Confession is always in order.


    So Jesus lied when He said...

    "Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."


    The Church gives us the meaning of ALL Scripture, and you are acting like a Protestant quoting this here. The Church has spoken, and you are bucking the Church.
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    Today, only Catholics holding the sedevacantist position are free from the anguish entailed by this truth.

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    « Reply #44 on: March 11, 2017, 09:49:15 AM »
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    Exactly right:  What is a sacrament?

    A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace.

    DESIRE is anything but an outward sign.  


    End of story


    How silly.

    The approved Catholic books plainly say that baptism of desire is NOT the Sacrament. So what's the deal here?

    Desire?  How banal. You really argue against something you REALLY do not understand, and it shows over, and over, and over again here.

    The "desire" in "baptism of desire" is an INTENSE act of the WILL where God in His mercy grants the gift of the Holy Ghost to transform the soul into a state of sanctifying grace, and the subject doesn't know this. Nobody but God knows it.

    The "desire" here is not merely a common, "Hey, you know what, I'd really would like to be in God's favor."

    It's the same act that can happen to a Catholic before going to confession, where an intense act of love and sorry cleanses the soul, which is perfect contrition. According to the Catechism of the Council of Trent, it's not something can easily be done....and, of course, a person doesn't know it, so Confession is always in order.


    So Jesus lied when He said...

    "Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."


    The Church gives us the meaning of ALL Scripture, and you are acting like a Protestant quoting this here. The Church has spoken, and you are bucking the Church.


    Why? Because I actually believe Christ's Words?  Scripture never contradicts or modifies this in any way.  Nor would it. Nor could it.  Otherwise, Jesus wouldn't have said it the way He did. His Word is clear and bulletproof.