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Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
« Reply #155 on: June 12, 2018, 03:14:08 AM »
Sure. I don't bother to be precise because I've already put several hours into this silly discussion. Again, which sede group are you a part of? Dolan/Sanborn and the CMRI hold to BOD(Dolan has said it's a mortal sin to deny it)
The gentleman to whom you are talking to has put 25 years into this discussion and is very patiently attempting to teach you to be precise, lest you become a heretic like the Pelagians. Precision is everything when you are attempting to skirt all those dogmas. You need to grow up.

The gentleman is not a sedevacantes and neither am I. But we are not Novus Ordo or resistance either. You will learn a lot if you learn to abandon the demonizing you have been programmed to use by (maybe) the SSPX against the sedes and the strict EENSers (which you call heretics, schismatics). My confessor, may he rest in peace, was ordained in the early 1950's,  our chapel, had mostly SSPX people, but we also had many sedes and strict EENSers, and we all got along. After his death, he was replaced by SSPX, and they chased away the sedes and created conflict. To make a long story short, I concluded that these groups, SSPX, Dolan, CMRI etc. are just protecting their business in all of this demonizing. I do not follow such people. I may attend their mass if I am certain they are valid priests, but I do not SWALLOW all of their teachings.   

Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
« Reply #156 on: June 12, 2018, 04:17:47 AM »
But we are not Novus Ordo or resistance either. 
Correction: But we are not Novus Ordo or resistance  R&R either.


Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
« Reply #157 on: June 12, 2018, 05:10:46 AM »
I almost regret joining Cathinfo. Many dull folks with Protestant mindsets who think they know better than the Church

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Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
« Reply #158 on: June 12, 2018, 05:39:27 AM »
No, but God is not bound by the Sacraments. ( think of the thief on the cross, we have no evidence that he was baptized) In the Paradiso, Dante points out that God's ways are totally beyond our understanding. It's worth reading over.  
Christ did not make the reception of the sacrament necessary for salvation until after the crucifixion, so your point about the good thief is irrelevant. 
 
When God made the sacrament a requirement for heaven, at the same time He took on the obligation to provide it - and has upheld His obligation repeatedly for 2000 years to all who have received it. So yes, God most certainly bound us to the sacrament because in making it a requirement for salvation, He chose to bind Himself to providing it.

Certainly you agree that man cannot save himself, yet it is absolutely essential to the doctrine of a BOD that God's providence be altogether absent. Can we agree on this? If not, where is God's providence in a BOD?

Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
« Reply #159 on: June 12, 2018, 08:34:47 AM »
I almost regret joining Cathinfo. Many dull folks with Protestant mindsets who think they know better than the Church
You mean to say "YOUR interpretation" of what the Church teaches.