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Offline Ovenbird

Catholic dogma on salvation
« on: June 08, 2018, 12:26:28 AM »
It is a defined Catholic Dogma that to be saved you must be inside the Catholic Church.

Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra (quoting Athanasian Creed):
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity...This is the Catholic faith; unless each one believes this faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.”

How does one enter the Church?

Eugene IV, The Council of Florence, “Exultate Deo,” Nov. 22, 1439:  
“Holy baptism, which is the gateway to the spiritual life, holds the first place among all the sacraments; through it we are made members of Christ and of the body of the Church.  And since death entered the universe through the first man, ‘unless we are born again of water and the Spirit, we cannot,’ as the Truth says, ‘enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5].  The matter of this sacrament is real and natural water.”

This is the infallible teaching of the Catholic Church. Since the infallible dogmas of the Catholic Church is the dogmas the Apostles of Christ believed, here is a couple Bible verses which further uphold this dogma.

Mark 16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned."

2 Corinthians 4:3-5
"And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them. [5] For we preach not ourselves, but Jesus Christ our Lord; and ourselves your servants through Jesus."

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Against the Heresies, Angelus Press [SSPX], p. 216: 
“Evidently, certain distinctions must be made. Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion.”

Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9):
“No one who merely disbelieves in all (these heresies) can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single one of these he is not a Catholic.”

This is irrefutable.
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Offline Banezian

Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2018, 02:37:00 AM »
No one disagrees that there is no salvation outside the Church. The question is "Who is a member of the Church?" What Popes and councils said on this question has to be interpreted in context, and it's not a matter of private judgment. The dogma must be understood in the way the Church understands it. I highly recommend "The Catholic Church and Salvation" by Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton on this topic. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2018, 06:12:17 AM »
Quote from: Banezian on June 08, 2018, 02:37:00 AM
No one disagrees that there is no salvation outside the Church. The question is "Who is a member of the Church?" What Popes and councils said on this question has to be interpreted in context, and it's not a matter of private judgment. The dogma must be understood in the way the Church understands it. I highly recommend "The Catholic Church and Salvation" by Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton on this topic.
Give an example of the Church declaring anything that is not understood as declared. Also, what do you mean when you say "the Church".  

It is the explicit teaching of the First Vatican Council "that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church". The widely promoted idea that dogma can only be understood as the Church herself understands it is not only entirely ambiguous, it is a terrible corruption of the clear teaching of V1.
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Offline forlorn

Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2018, 06:53:29 AM »
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Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life

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Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Against the Heresies, Angelus Press [SSPX], p. 216: 
“Evidently, certain distinctions must be made. Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion.”

It should only take these quotes side by side to make it obvious to all that the SSPX is wrong on BOD. And yet they still hold onto it dearly and pump out book after book trying to justify it. 
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Offline Cantarella

Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2018, 06:51:44 PM »
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The question is "Who is a member of the Church?"

A member of the Church is a validly sacramentally baptized Roman Catholic who does not have the misfortune to leave via heresy, apostasy, or schism.
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