Author Topic: No Perfect Act of Contrition is Possible (Read 11219 times)

SJB · « **Reply #85 on:** March 19, 2014, 05:28:14 AM »

Quote from: Cantarella

Sorry but there is no way for "interpreting" or reading a "certain way" Catholic dogma.

But you claim we read it wrong and the catechisms and theologians and all other teachers authorized by the teaching apostolate have interpreted it contrary to its true meaning. Then you have no answer to the question "who ever noticed this widespread defection?"

NOBODY noticed it because it isn't there. THEY didn't misunderstand, YOU misunderstand.

Your position really is the height of arrogance, typical of heretics.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #86 on:** March 19, 2014, 08:11:10 AM »

Quote from: linr05

So, given that the only Tridentine Mass is a five-hour round trip, and my used, old car is going downhill quickly, and I am only able to work PT/4-days-week: Is NOT attending Mass EVERY SUNDAY a mortal or a venial sin? I'm not wanting to presume Grace here, but I'm 60-yrs.-old and driving takes its toll on me too.

For now, I'm inclined to go whenever the car is working and I have a dollar for gas...when does scrupulosity become sinful?

Opinions?

Of course it's not a mortal sin (or even venial sin) to miss Mass under those conditions; the Church only requires a reasonable effort. Underlying divine law is to keep Sunday holy, so one should always do something to sanctify the Sunday whenever one cannot assist at Holy Mass. So, for instance, you could read the Mass from your missal, make a spiritual communion, and pray the Holy Rosary ... in addition of course to refraining from menial labor.

Now, I would have no problem attending an Eastern Rite liturgy if I didn't have access to a Tridentine Latin Mass. Others might protest. Perhaps there might be one closer to you. I could look into it if you wanted to let me know whereabouts you live. Although I would personally stay away from the Maronites, I consider the Ukrainian Catholic churches a good choice and consider most Ruthenian (Byzantine) implementations at least tolerable.

Cantarella · « **Reply #87 on:** March 19, 2014, 11:33:16 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Cantarella
Sorry but there is no way for "interpreting" or reading a "certain way" Catholic dogma.

But you claim we read it wrong and the catechisms and theologians and all other teachers authorized by the teaching apostolate have interpreted it contrary to its true meaning. Then you have no answer to the question "who ever noticed this widespread defection?"

NOBODY noticed it because it isn't there. THEY didn't misunderstand, YOU misunderstand.

Your position really is the height of arrogance, typical of heretics.

Catechisms, theologians, and teachers are fallible and cannot supersede or contradict Church dogmatic statements. When you insist that infallible DEFINITIONS must be interpreted by non-infallible statements you deny the whole purpose of infallibility. You invert their authority by subordinating the Heavenly dogmatic teaching to the re-evaluation of fallible humans.

Again, there is no meaning of a dogma other than what the words themselves state and declare in these Divine guided Church statements.

SJB · « **Reply #88 on:** March 19, 2014, 02:43:38 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

Quote from: SJB
Quote from: Cantarella
Sorry but there is no way for "interpreting" or reading a "certain way" Catholic dogma.

But you claim we read it wrong and the catechisms and theologians and all other teachers authorized by the teaching apostolate have interpreted it contrary to its true meaning. Then you have no answer to the question "who ever noticed this widespread defection?"

NOBODY noticed it because it isn't there. THEY didn't misunderstand, YOU misunderstand.

Your position really is the height of arrogance, typical of heretics.

Catechisms, theologians, and teachers are fallible and cannot supersede or contradict Church dogmatic statements. When you insist that infallible DEFINITIONS must be interpreted by non-infallible statements you deny the whole purpose of infallibility. You invert their authority by subordinating the Heavenly dogmatic teaching to the re-evaluation of fallible humans.

Again, there is no meaning of a dogma other than what the words themselves state and declare in these Divine guided Church statements.

And you are not an infallible reader of dogmatic statements. The point is that NOBODY understands things the way Br. Andre of SBC, who you've been quoting, does.

While authorized teachers are not individually infallible, they are infinitely more authoritative than you.

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #89 on:** March 20, 2014, 12:46:40 PM »

Quote from: linr05

So, given that the only Tridentine Mass is a five-hour round trip...

My understanding was that if Mass is more than an hour away, the obligation to attend Mass is reduced; All the while, the effort you make to attend Mass as frequently as possible is well worth any cost.