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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #165 on: August 25, 2017, 12:41:29 PM »

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This prompted your your query, "have you read the St. Alphonsus quote?"
The St. Alphonsus quote doesn't provide a response to my questions.
And if it is "unsettled" (your own words), the Church hasn't pronounced on it or much less "defined" it.
You are offering speculations and contending that the opposing of those speculations - in an "unsettled" matter no less - is somehow heretical, a rejection of Church teaching, etc.
This is ridiculous.


I'm have trouble understanding what the debate is about.  What is your specific point of contention?

Belief in God must be explicit, belief in the Incarnation and Trinity probably must be explicit in all circuŠ¼stances.  Where is the problem?
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #166 on: August 25, 2017, 12:52:22 PM »
Quote from: tornpage on August 25, 2017, 12:35:31 PM
Lover of Truth,
I asked you these questions:
This prompted your your query, "have you read the St. Alphonsus quote?"
The St. Alphonsus quote doesn't provide a response to my questions.
And if it is "unsettled" (your own words), the Church hasn't pronounced on it or much less "defined" it.
You are offering speculations and contending that the opposing of those speculations - in an "unsettled" matter no less - is somehow heretical, a rejection of Church teaching, etc.
This is ridiculous.
 
   Typically ridiculous and, frankly, ridiculous is kind to the point of LoT level crazy.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #167 on: August 25, 2017, 12:52:35 PM »
I'm basing it on what Alphonsus taught above.  

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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #168 on: August 25, 2017, 12:54:08 PM »
3) that explicit belief in the Trinity is only "necessitate praecepti" and that only implicit belief in the Trinity is required "necessitate medii." He calls this third opinion (which he lists as the second) "also probable enough" and he quotes a number of eminent theologians who hold this opinion. Here is the passage in his works:
https://books.google.com/books?id=NR48AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA296

Who has a problem with the above quote?
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #169 on: August 25, 2017, 12:57:24 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 25, 2017, 12:41:29 PM

I'm have trouble understanding what the debate is about.  

   Never seems to keep him from spray-and-pray, full-tilt boogie with the sticker book Theology though, or acting / thinking that he DOES understand when he doesn't, which is usually a big piece of the bull-flop flan mess.

What is your specific point of contention?

Belief in God must be explicit, belief in the Incarnation and Trinity probably must be explicit in all circuŠ¼stances.  Where is the problem?
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