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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #155 on: August 25, 2017, 12:07:01 PM »
Quote from: tornpage on August 25, 2017, 11:55:38 AM
Lover of Truth,

First, define "implicit" faith "according to the Church."

If you manage to do that, then show us where the Church says the "the good-willed . . . with implicit faith can gain actual grace that moves them to a supernatural faith and perfect charity putting them within the Church in a salvific way."
This should be typical.
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #156 on: August 25, 2017, 12:09:11 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 25, 2017, 11:57:11 AM
Have you read the quote from Alphonsus?
S. (x), Doctor (x) = "Church"
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #157 on: August 25, 2017, 12:10:18 PM »
Quote from: tornpage on August 25, 2017, 12:00:08 PM
Lover of Truth,

None.
Then you should have no problem with the teaching.  But the Church clearly and infallibly teaches if there is such people they can be saved within the Church.  That cannot be legitimately denied.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #158 on: August 25, 2017, 12:10:53 PM »
Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 25, 2017, 12:09:11 PM
S. (x), Doctor (x) = "Church"
(x) not you.
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #159 on: August 25, 2017, 12:11:45 PM »
Quote from: tornpage on August 25, 2017, 12:05:50 PM
A work of mercy.  :)
It'd better be... :cheers:

Seriously, not a gimme, cause that would be a lie too. It was legit.

Out.
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