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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #135 on: August 25, 2017, 10:13:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 25, 2017, 09:08:25 AM
    It is more probable that explicit faith is necessary for all four as I have maintained and as I have stated publicly several times.

    Only if you're an idiot like St. Thomas Aquinas who doesn't know or properly understand Scripture.

    PS:  You still have not admitted fault and retracted that statement, LoT.  I'm waiting.
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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #136 on: August 25, 2017, 10:28:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 25, 2017, 09:08:25 AM
    So as I have said all along the issue has not been definitively settled.

    Garbage.  It's just that the heresy of Rewarder God theory has never been explicitly condemned.  That does not mean the issue hasn't been settled.  It has been held infallibly by the Ordinary Universal Magisterium.  For 1600 years, it was the undisputed belief and teaching of all Catholics everywhere that explicit faith in Jesus Christ and the Holy Trinity are necessary for salvation.  That has already definitely settled the matter.  We await merely an explicit condemnation by the Church of this pernicious heresy.


    Nestorianism and Arianism were no less pernicious heresies before they were explicitly condemned than they were after.  Same can be said of Rewarder God heresy.
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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #137 on: August 25, 2017, 10:56:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 25, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
    Only if you're an idiot like St. Thomas Aquinas who doesn't know or properly understand Scripture.

    PS:  You still have not admitted fault and retracted that statement, LoT.  I'm waiting.
    You are digging dingus.  It was sarcastic.  My point is Aquinas gets scripture and those who deny his teaching do not.  
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #138 on: August 25, 2017, 10:57:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 25, 2017, 10:28:18 AM
    Garbage.  It's just that the heresy of Rewarder God theory has never been explicitly condemned.  That does not mean the issue hasn't been settled.  It has been held infallibly by the Ordinary Universal Magisterium.  For 1600 years, it was the undisputed belief and teaching of all Catholics everywhere that explicit faith in Jesus Christ and the Holy Trinity are necessary for salvation.  That has already definitely settled the matter.  We await merely an explicit condemnation by the Church of this pernicious heresy.


    Nestorianism and Arianism were no less pernicious heresies before they were explicitly condemned than they were after.  Same can be said of Rewarder God heresy.
    You are the garbage man sir.  You trust yourself more than the Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Pope.
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #139 on: August 25, 2017, 11:12:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 25, 2017, 10:28:18 AM
    Garbage.  It's just that the heresy of Rewarder God theory has never been explicitly condemned.  That does not mean the issue hasn't been settled.  It has been held infallibly by the Ordinary Universal Magisterium.  For 1600 years, it was the undisputed belief and teaching of all Catholics everywhere that explicit faith in Jesus Christ and the Holy Trinity are necessary for salvation.  That has already definitely settled the matter.  We await merely an explicit condemnation by the Church of this pernicious heresy.


    Nestorianism and Arianism were no less pernicious heresies before they were explicitly condemned than they were after.  Same can be said of Rewarder God heresy.
    Why is the teaching of people that know far better than you including Sainted Doctors garbage?  When will you get an ounce of humility and get over yourself?  The devil had a higher intellect than all and chose wrongly.  You can learn from that.  
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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #140 on: August 25, 2017, 11:32:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 25, 2017, 10:56:29 AM
    You are digging dingus.  It was sarcastic.  My point is Aquinas gets scripture and those who deny his teaching do not.  

    You're a liar, and the most arrogant & pride-filled person I've ever encountered.  You were attacking Stubborn for his ignorance of Scripture in maintaining St. Thomas' position ... and forgot that you were at the same time attacking St. Thomas.  There was no sarcasm in your attack against Stubborn -- it was a direct attack.  Sarcasm implies that you didn't really mean to attack Stubborn for his position.
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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #141 on: August 25, 2017, 11:34:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 25, 2017, 11:32:13 AM
    You're a liar, and the most arrogant & pride-filled person I've ever encountered.

    You "deny" his teaching by claiming that Rewarder God theory is possible.
    You just blab, make false accusations and lie and never show supporting docuмentation.  You cry at the truth like the devil when sprinkled with holy water.  
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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #142 on: August 25, 2017, 11:35:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 25, 2017, 10:56:29 AM
    You are digging dingus.  It was sarcastic.  My point is Aquinas gets scripture and those who deny his teaching do not.  
    That misplaced "either/or" rearing its plugly head again...

    Don't suppose those that Aquinas mentions as having alternatives possibly viable knew anything even though said mentions are tacit acknowledgments that they do.

    "Classic"
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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #143 on: August 25, 2017, 11:36:24 AM »
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    • Saint Thomas Aquinas speaks of the need for belief in the Incarnation and the Holy Trinity:
        But when dealing with Baptism of [desire] the Spirit he speaks thusly:

    In like manner a man receives the effect of Baptism by the power of the Holy Ghost, not only without Baptism of Water, but also without Baptism of Blood: forasmuch as his heart is moved by the Holy Ghost [1]to believe in and love God and [2] to repent of his sins: wherefore this is also called Baptism of Repentance.

    There is my supporting docuмentation.  Stop crying baby.  :baby: And take the truth like a man.  The issue was not definitively settled.  Suprema would have stated the truth on the issue had it been definitively settled by then.  Those who make this claim have far more credentials than you.  
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #144 on: August 25, 2017, 11:37:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 25, 2017, 10:57:04 AM
    You are the garbage man sir.  You trust yourself more than the Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Pope.
    "... the Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Pope." meaning LoM
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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #145 on: August 25, 2017, 11:38:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 25, 2017, 11:35:26 AM
    That misplaced "either/or" rearing its plugly head again...

    Don't suppose those that Aquinas mentions as having alternatives possibly viable knew anything even though said mentions are tacit acknowledgments that they do.

    "Classic"
    People act like the verse from Saint John ends the debate, I sarcastically claim that Aquinas either missed the verse or didn't understand it to teach what he did so clearly on BOD.  The good willed get the point.  Those that don't want the truth make up ideas such as me disparaging Aquinas. You will have to answer for that.
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #146 on: August 25, 2017, 11:38:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 25, 2017, 11:12:16 AM
    Why is the teaching of people that know far better than you including Sainted Doctors garbage?  When will you get an ounce of humility and get over yourself?  The devil had a higher intellect than all and chose wrongly.  You can learn from that.  
    Too bad it seems LoM 'can't'
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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #147 on: August 25, 2017, 11:39:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 25, 2017, 11:38:28 AM
    Too bad it seems LoM 'can't'
    Too bad you are another professional dingbat who has nothing but his "wit" to contribute.  
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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #148 on: August 25, 2017, 11:40:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 25, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
    You just blab, make false accusations and lie and never show supporting docuмentation.  You cry at the truth like the devil when sprinkled with holy water.  
    I wonder if "yo mamma infinity" is permitted to expedite these things. Maybe assign numbers like that joke about jokes...
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    « Reply #149 on: August 25, 2017, 11:41:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 25, 2017, 11:12:16 AM
    Why is the teaching of people that know far better than you including Sainted Doctors garbage?

    No, I'm calling YOU garbage ... not the Doctors.  You hide behind them for cover for your heresies simply because they also believed in BoD.  What you refuse to admit is that they did not hold the heresies you promote in the articulation of your position.
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