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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #95 on: August 23, 2017, 02:41:27 PM »
Babies cannot be saved apart from sacramental Baptism.  Why is this distinction made?  Because adults can, if and when sacramental baptism is impossible for them.  

Adults can will. Babies cannot. And because adults can will, they can love. They can make an act of perfect contrition. And acts of faith and hope and charity.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #96 on: August 23, 2017, 02:54:37 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 23, 2017, 02:41:27 PM
Babies cannot be saved apart from sacramental Baptism.  Why is this distinction made?  Because adults can, if and when sacramental baptism is impossible for them.  
Again you come up with this lying excuse of there being some situation where it is impossible for God to provide a minister and some water to baptize the sincere adult.

You never answered me so may as well add this one to the list.......describe the scenario wherein God finds it impossible to provide the sacrament of baptism to the sincere adult.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #97 on: August 23, 2017, 04:24:26 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 23, 2017, 02:41:27 PM
Babies cannot be saved apart from sacramental Baptism.  Why is this distinction made?  Because adults can, if and when sacramental baptism is impossible for them.  
Since there is no hope of you ever answering with any possible (or impossible) scenario wherein God finds it impossible to provide the sacrament of baptism to the sincere adult -  certainly not anything you can come up with,  with any coherent answer easily discernible to Catholic ears, I will leave you with the correct answer, quoted directly from the good Fr. Feeney.........

"There is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the skeptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you."

This truth can be repeated an infinite number of times since creation till the end of the world - it will always remain true and appreciated - to Catholics.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #98 on: August 24, 2017, 08:10:45 AM »
Hebrews 11: 6 - But without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that cometh to God, must [1]]believe that he is, and [2] is a rewarder to them that seek him.

BAM!!!

Did Saint Paul forget to mention the Incarnation and Holy Trinity?  Why did he not consult Stubborn first!
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #99 on: August 24, 2017, 10:01:12 AM »
John 3:[5]  Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, *unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

[5] "Unless a man be born again": By these words our Saviour hath declared the necessity of baptism; and by the word water it is evident that the application of it is necessary with the words. Matt. 28. 19.
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