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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #90 on: August 23, 2017, 02:16:33 PM »
The process of justification starts with faith, fear, hope, etc.

Read the entire Treatise on justification in Trent, not just your pet sentence.

Trent says that these are pre-dispositions for justification, right up through the desire, and that justification itself FOLLOWS AFTER these (including the desire) in the reception of the Sacrament.  That's another strong argument against BoD in Trent.

Trent lists the dispositions for justification ... right up through the desire.
Trent then says that justification FOLLOWS AFTER these when the Sacrament of Baptism is received.

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #91 on: August 23, 2017, 02:17:22 PM »

Both St. John the Baptist and St. Joseph died in the Old Dispensation. It was replaced by the New. As soon as Christ opened Heaven, they both went there. I get really angry when I see such idiotic stuff being thrown out by armchair theologian who do not have the faintest idea about anything.

God CAN do anything He wants? Yes, because whatever He cannot do, He also cannot want. But it is false to say, strictly speaking, that God can do anything. There are a lot of things God cannot do. For example, He cannot sin, He cannot fail, He cannot cease to exist, He cannot create another God, etc.

We’re not interested in how Fr. Feeney answered anything but in how the Catholic Church answers these questions.
… and yet it yaks on, and on, and on …

What's this sub calledd again?


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #92 on: August 23, 2017, 02:20:35 PM »
The cleansing of the soul from Original Sin.  Sanctifying grace is what makes us children of God and heirs of heaven.  

So you're saying that one can be in a state of Original Sin and in a state of sanctifying grace at the same time.  Please 'splain.  That's an interesting BoDist conundrum (among the many paradoxes under which BoDers labor).

Plus, you're wrong.  It's the CHARACTER of Baptism that likens the soul to the image of His Son so that we're recognized by the Father as His sons in the spirit of adoption and therefore able to participate in the inner life of the Holy Trinity, aka the Beatific Vision.  This being "children of God" is not merely some legal fiction (as the Protestants would have it) but an ontological reshaping of the soul that takes place through the character of Baptism.

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #93 on: August 23, 2017, 02:23:10 PM »
Read the entire Treatise on justification in Trent, not just your pet sentence.

Trent says that these are pre-dispositions for justification, right up through the desire, and that justification itself FOLLOWS AFTER these (including the desire) in the reception of the Sacrament.  That's another strong argument against BoD in Trent.

Trent lists the dispositions for justification ... right up through the desire.
Trent then says that justification FOLLOWS AFTER these when the Sacrament of Baptism is received.
You pit the Church against the Church.  This speaks ignorance or willful blindness.  I'll pray you gain the humility to get out of the Church of Ladislaus.

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #94 on: August 23, 2017, 02:24:06 PM »
So you're saying that one can be in a state of Original Sin and in a state of sanctifying grace at the same time.  Please 'splain.  That's an interesting BoDist conundrum (among the many paradoxes under which BoDers labor).

Plus, you're wrong.  It's the CHARACTER of Baptism that likens the soul to the image of His Son so that we're recognized by the Father as His sons in the spirit of adoption and therefore able to participate in the inner life of the Holy Trinity, aka the Beatific Vision.  This being "children of God" is not merely some legal fiction (as the Protestants would have it) but an ontological reshaping of the soul that takes place through the character of Baptism.
You put words in my mouth because you cannot refute my truth.  Desperate tactic of one who does not want to admit the truth.