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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #75 on: August 23, 2017, 12:16:17 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 23, 2017, 11:16:27 AM
I did answer the question and you admit you disagree with Bellarmine and Alphonsus.  Any good willed person can see where the truth lies.
You did not nor have you answered any questions, all you do is keep trying to prove Trent is wrong.

I wholly agree with Trent, I disagree with you and with the speculations of everyone and anyone who disagrees with Trent's explicit teaching that the sacrament is not optional, and whoever says the sacrament is not necessary unto salvation is cursed - this means you because saying this is your lex orandi.

The truth lies with Trent, with which you reject and I wholly accept as it is written.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #76 on: August 23, 2017, 12:20:04 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 23, 2017, 12:16:17 PM
You did not nor have you answered any questions, all you do is keep trying to prove Trent is wrong.

I wholly agree with Trent, I disagree with you and with the speculations of everyone and anyone who disagrees with Trent's explicit teaching that the sacrament is not optional, and whoever says the sacrament is not necessary unto salvation is cursed - this means you because saying this is your lex orandi.

The truth lies with Trent, with which you reject and I wholly accept as it is written.
I do hope against all odds you and the Dimonds make to the same place as all the Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes that are enjoying the Beatific Vison whom you dare to claim are erroneous have a happy reunion.  
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #77 on: August 23, 2017, 12:51:52 PM »
No words suffice for a wicked will. How many cooks does this broth need? What maKes me so suited? Nothing. Doesnt surprise me when the truth challenged "confuse" a bit of court jestery, with argumentation.

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 23, 2017, 12:05:49 PM
Honestly, it's not any worse than most of your best efforts, LoT.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #78 on: August 23, 2017, 12:53:20 PM »
Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 23, 2017, 12:51:52 PM
No words suffice for a wicked will. How many cooks does this broth need? What maKes me so suited? Nothing. Doesnt surprise me when the truth challenged "confuse" a bit of court jestery, with argumentation.
Words of the heretics on a Catholic forum.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2017, 12:53:52 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 23, 2017, 12:15:29 PM
So one that is in a state of sanctifying grace can be deprived of the beatific vision?  

Ask St. Joseph and St. John the Baptist.  They were in a state of sanctifying grace but deprived of the beatific vision.

Define "can".  God CAN do anything He wants.

I answer this the same way that Father Feeney did, that we do not know what happens.  I am of the opinion that God will not let anyone die in this state ... justification without the Sacrament.  If He were to allow it, then they could end up in a limbo type of state, basically perfect natural happiness ... only without the beatific vision.
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