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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2017, 12:02:24 PM »
Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 23, 2017, 12:00:50 PM
… and the "truth" LIES and lay with its "lover"
Excellent refutation.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2017, 12:05:17 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 23, 2017, 09:46:17 AM
Alphonsus understands Trent
Bellarmine understands Trent
Pax Vobis does not.

Father Feeney's interpretation of Trent isn't any different from theirs -- he simply draws different implications from the justification vs. salvation distinction.  But I personally disagree with this interpretation.  I don't think that Trent is teaching "either ... or" (for many reasons that I've articulated and no one's ever refuted).  Yet I don't disagree with Father Feeney's general distinction between justification and salvation.  I believe it's valid and very real.

So, according to the strict Father Feeney position (which I don't follow 100%), Trent has nothing to do with it.

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2017, 12:05:49 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 23, 2017, 12:02:24 PM
Excellent refutation.

Honestly, it's not any worse than most of your best efforts, LoT.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2017, 12:07:52 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 23, 2017, 12:05:17 PM
Father Feeney's interpretation of Trent isn't any different from theirs -- he simply draws different implications from the justification vs. salvation distinction.  But I personally disagree with this interpretation.  I don't think that Trent is teaching "either ... or" (for many reasons that I've articulated and no one's ever refuted).  Yet I don't disagree with Father Feeney's general distinction between justification and salvation.  I believe it's valid and very real.

So, according to the strict Father Feeney position (which I don't follow 100%), Trent has nothing to do with it.
The "different implication" is the difference between doctrine and heresy.  Incredible.  Do you even believe yourself?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2017, 12:08:35 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 22, 2017, 02:26:38 PM
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That was the question.  How is the question wrong?[/size]

I'm obviously talking about your poll question and the very title of your thread.

":Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?"
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