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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2017, 02:35:49 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 22, 2017, 02:32:52 PM
Well yes, that is  what Fr. Feeney taught. He taught that because that is the actual canon from Trent - what would you expect him to teach, that the sacrament is optional? Of course not.

You asked the question, I gave you Trent's answer, you say Trent is wrong. Same o same o.
The novelty was in teaching that one who dies justified will not go to heaven.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2017, 02:42:26 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 22, 2017, 02:35:49 PM
The novelty was in teaching that one who dies justified will not go to heaven.
Your novelty is one not baptized can still attain salvation.

But that is insufficient because God made reception of the sacrament necessary, which Trent echoed and defined infallibly - but you cannot get that through your think liberal skull.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2017, 02:45:04 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 22, 2017, 02:42:26 PM
Your novelty is one not baptized can still attain salvation.

But that is insufficient because God made reception of the sacrament necessary, which Trent echoed and defined infallibly - but you cannot get that through your think liberal skull.
It is not my novelty.  It is necessary with a relative necessity of means.  We do not dispute that.  It is not intrinsically necessary.  One who avoids it will be damned.  One who does not know about it through no fault of his own will not be damned for that reason and will be saved if he dies justified.  
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2017, 03:21:16 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 22, 2017, 02:45:04 PM
It is not my novelty.  It is necessary with a relative necessity of means.  We do not dispute that.  It is not intrinsically necessary. 
Well, we are certain that it is not optional because we have Trent infallibly saying it is not optional - that makes it intrinsically necessary.


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One who avoids it will be damned.  One who does not know about it through no fault of his own will not be damned for that reason and will be saved if he dies justified. 
One who does not receive it will be damned, the reason for this is because of his own free will he rejected the graces offered to go and have it done.

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2017, 03:35:36 PM »
How can one desire baptism if he doesn't know about?
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