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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2017, 07:03:44 AM »
Why isn't anyone showing how a person who dies justified is prevented from obtaining the Beatific Vision?  Where are your sources that show that one be justified and at the same time not in a state of sanctifying grace?

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2017, 10:52:37 AM »
I'm gonna drop the wall of "dialog" for a mite and try to penetrate that Superman hard melon of yours. You wanna get but hurt about it instead of zipping it and thinking, as you are almost certainly not going to do, then THAT is also on you.

There's a saying about how who and what we are speaks first and "loudest"

YOU, mostly because of your methods and unreason, have no credibility.

It doesn't matter WHAT you post, because YOU are posting it.

Who knows? Maybe you have posted the fix for this whole mess, but no one reads it because, like a serial philAnderer, any can and should assume that the Leopard still has spots.

We must amend, even with complete and perfect Mercy incarnate.

You can't just wish and talk your way out of something you acted your way into.

You've mouthed a mountain of checks that you can't cash. Your credit is crap.

My hand is out; sorry for this being public, but my contortions don't extend to breaking my digital hip whilst having a thrombo trying to make my kit do what it really doesn't  want to.

If I'm off grid or not can be indicaTed via votes. Rusty gear is shameful.

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Why isn't anyone showing how a person who dies justified is prevented from obtaining the Beatific Vision?  Where are your sources that show that one be justified and at the same time not in a state of sanctifying grace?


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2017, 10:54:42 AM »
Why isn't anyone showing how a person who dies justified is prevented from obtaining the Beatific Vision?

Ask St. Joseph and St. John the Baptist; they can tell you.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2017, 10:56:38 AM »
Only one person voted as Feeney would the rest of the feeneyites have to pretend that Trent did not teach that one could be justified by desire for the Sacrament.

You asked the wrong question, moran.  Question is whether someone in a state of sanctifying grace can die in that state and not (eventually, if after Purgatory) attain the Beatific Vision.

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2017, 11:14:24 AM »
I'm gonna drop the wall of "dialog" for a mite and try to penetrate that Superman hard melon of yours. You wanna get but hurt about it instead of zipping it and thinking, as you are almost certainly not going to do, then THAT is also on you.

There's a saying about how who and what we are speaks first and "loudest"

YOU, mostly because of your methods and unreason, have no credibility.

It doesn't matter WHAT you post, because YOU are posting it.

Who knows? Maybe you have posted the fix for this whole mess, but no one reads it because, like a serial philAnderer, any can and should assume that the Leopard still has spots.

We must amend, even with complete and perfect Mercy incarnate.

You can't just wish and talk your way out of something you acted your way into.

You've mouthed a mountain of checks that you can't cash. Your credit is crap.

My hand is out; sorry for this being public, but my contortions don't extend to breaking my digital hip whilst having a thrombo trying to make my kit do what it really doesn't  want to.

If I'm off grid or not can be indicaTed via votes. Rusty gear is shameful.

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It seemed you were going to say something intelligent and I was excited to be able to actually talk with you.  

But then if I post from an encyclical  or any authoritative docuмent and make no other comment "bad".  Well. . . because . . . I posted it.  

Magnificent combination of balderdash and rubbish on stilts on top of a very tall building.   :cheers: