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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2017, 01:43:11 PM »
Duh, but how?  What's the underlying ontology?  It wasn't a question of Our Lord opening some physical gate.  What does it mean to "open" heaven?  There's some ontological change in the souls that allowed them to enjoy the Beatific Vision.
The cleansing of the soul from Original Sin.  Sanctifying grace is what makes us children of God and heirs of heaven.  

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #86 on: August 23, 2017, 01:48:45 PM »
The cleansing of the soul from Original Sin.  Sanctifying grace is what makes us children of God and heirs of heaven.  
Where did you get that ignorance?

It is the sacrament of baptism that makes us children of God and heirs to heaven - look it up in the Baltimore Catechism for 1st graders. This is something that being taught in 1st grade, you were expected to remember for the rest of your life.


Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #87 on: August 23, 2017, 02:03:13 PM »
Where did you get that ignorance?

It is the sacrament of baptism that makes us children of God and heirs to heaven - look it up in the Baltimore Catechism for 1st graders. This is something that being taught in 1st grade, you were expected to remember for the rest of your life.
The Catechism you don't trust on BOD.  :facepalm:

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #88 on: August 23, 2017, 02:05:15 PM »
Oops, my bad, I forgot you, being born and raised in the anti-church learned the anti-church's faith that it only takes sanctifying grace is what makes us children of God and heirs of heaven.

Well, the rest of us who were born and raised in the Catholic Church were taught the sacrament of baptism is the only way to be made children of God and heirs to heaven. You really should try hard as you possibly can to rid yourself of anti-church religion before you post any more.

Can we at least agree on that much?

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #89 on: August 23, 2017, 02:11:38 PM »
Ask St. Joseph and St. John the Baptist.  They were in a state of sanctifying grace but deprived of the beatific vision.

Define "can".  God CAN do anything He wants.

I answer this the same way that Father Feeney did, that we do not know what happens.  I am of the opinion that God will not let anyone die in this state ... justification without the Sacrament.  If He were to allow it, then they could end up in a limbo type of state, basically perfect natural happiness ... only without the beatific vision.
Both St. John the Baptist and St. Joseph died in the Old Dispensation. It was replaced by the New. As soon as Christ opened Heaven, they both went there. I get really angry when I see such idiotic stuff being thrown out by armchair theologian who do not have the faintest idea about anything.

God CAN do anything He wants? Yes, because whatever He cannot do, He also cannot want. But it is false to say, strictly speaking, that God can do anything. There are a lot of things God cannot do. For example, He cannot sin, He cannot fail, He cannot cease to exist, He cannot create another God, etc.

We’re not interested in how Fr. Feeney answered anything but in how the Catholic Church answers these questions.