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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2017, 12:10:27 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 23, 2017, 12:08:35 PM
I'm obviously talking about your poll question and the very title of your thread.

":Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?"
'splain to me Lucy how one can be justified and not in a state of sanctifying grace.  Please use supporting docuŠ¼entation.  
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2017, 12:10:40 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 23, 2017, 12:07:52 PM
The "different implication" is the difference between doctrine and heresy.  Incredible.  Do you even believe yourself?

No heresy at all ... except in your positions.  Denial of BoD is NOT heresy by any stretch of the imagination.  Pelagianism IS heresy, so is denial of EENS, so is your ecclesiology, and so is your rejection of the dogma that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2017, 12:11:39 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 23, 2017, 12:10:27 PM
'splain to me Lucy how one can be justified and not in a state of sanctifying grace.  Please use supporting docuŠ¼entation.  

Nobody is saying that, dumbass.  That's my point.  That's why it's the wrong question.  I've explained this at least 4 times now but you can't comprehend this.  We're saying that justification is not the same as salvation and does not suffice for the beatific vision.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #73 on: August 23, 2017, 12:14:13 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 23, 2017, 12:10:40 PM
No heresy at all ... except in your positions.  Denial of BoD is NOT heresy by any stretch of the imagination.  Pelagianism IS heresy, so is denial of EENS, so is your ecclesiology, and so is your rejection of the dogma that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation.
Again false accusations.  This is what the Church of Ladislaus is left with.  
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2017, 12:15:29 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 23, 2017, 12:11:39 PM
Nobody is saying that, dumbass.  That's my point.  That's why it's the wrong question.  I've explained this at least 4 times now but you can't comprehend this.  We're saying that justification is not the same as salvation and does not suffice for the beatific vision.
So one that is in a state of sanctifying grace can be deprived of the beatific vision?  
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