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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2017, 09:48:11 AM »
Again it is Alphonsus' and Bellarmine's interpretation. You ignore this fact and pretend I made it up in order to save face.  This is sad that you deny Catholic teaching in order to preserve the feeneyite heresy.  
Just answer the question. What do the great Doctors of the Church say that Pius IX rrreeeaaally meant at The First Vatican Council when he infallibly decreed: "Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding."

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2017, 10:55:20 AM »
Just answer the question. What do the great Doctors of the Church say that Pius IX rrreeeaaally meant at The First Vatican Council when he infallibly decreed: "Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding."
You don't grant the point but switch topics.  Then rely on great Doctors whom you reject.  The short answer is:

Because it's true.  You can check the Oath Against Modernism for that as well if you like.


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2017, 11:13:05 AM »
If you cannot or if you will not answer the question, just say so, but at least acknowledge you have no idea how to answer or that you've at least read the question.

The topic is Trent said you are anathema for saying the sacrament is not necessary unto salvation.

You say the sacrament is not necessary because some of the great Doctors said as much.

So you completely surrender your brain and any reading comprehension to oppose what Trent said clearly and wholly reject what V1 decreed for absolutely no reason - and no, the mistaken speculations of some of the great Doctors does not give you a free pass to promote your heresies. But I'm sorry to say that one thing is certain - you'll find that out soon enough. 

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2017, 11:16:27 AM »
If you cannot or if you will not answer the question, just say so, but at least acknowledge you have no idea how to answer or that you've at least read the question.

The topic is Trent said you are anathema for saying the sacrament is not necessary unto salvation.

You say the sacrament is not necessary because some of the great Doctors said as much.

So you completely surrender your brain and any reading comprehension to oppose what Trent said clearly and wholly reject what V1 decreed for absolutely no reason - and no, the mistaken speculations of some of the great Doctors does not give you a free pass to promote your heresies. But I'm sorry to say that one thing is certain - you'll find that out soon enough.
I did answer the question and you admit you disagree with Bellarmine and Alphonsus.  Any good willed person can see where the truth lies.

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2017, 12:00:50 PM »
… and the "truth" LIES and lay with its "lover"
I did answer the question and you admit you disagree with Bellarmine and Alphonsus.  Any good willed person can see where the truth lies.