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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2017, 12:28:34 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 22, 2017, 12:23:04 PM
Here's to beating a dead horse.......Justification alone is insufficient for salvation.

Decree on the sacraments:

CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.
That is Feeney teaching.  The Dimonds teach the contrary and have to claim that Trent did not teach what it taught to get around it.  Both get around the truth in different ways.  Feeney was wrong.  The Dimonds are wrong.
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2017, 01:00:53 PM »
No no. Just to be crystal,  it's big boy /accountability time yesterday.

I opened the door, and put out my hand, and you slammed the port shut.

Unless and until you amend, feel free to shut your virtual mouth when you're talking to me.

Addressing your post, such as they are,  is in no way an evite to tea.

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Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 22, 2017, 12:10:43 PM
Do you deny that Feeney taught would who died justified apart from sacramental baptism could not be saved?
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2017, 01:03:33 PM »
Train wreck
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 22, 2017, 12:28:34 PM
That is Feeney teaching.  The Dimonds teach the contrary and have to claim that Trent did not teach what it taught to get around it.  Both get around the truth in different ways.  Feeney was wrong.  The Dimonds are wrong.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2017, 01:07:32 PM »
Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 22, 2017, 01:00:53 PM
No no. Just to be crystal,  it's big boy /accountability time yesterday.

I opened the door, and put out my hand, and you slammed the port shut.

Unless and until you amend, feel free to shut your virtual mouth when you're talking to me.

Addressing your post, such as they are,  is in no way an evite to tea.

out.
I must have missed something.  I would like to get in a good discussion with you.  You have to do it one step at a time with me without imply I get my theology from V2 or anything similar.  I'm quote willing to discuss your thoughts if it can be civil and no accusatory.  Simply sticking to the issue without making it personal.  This should be second hand among traditional Catholics but we can be the worst sometimes.  
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2017, 01:10:12 PM »
Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 22, 2017, 01:03:33 PM
Train wreck
It is a train wreck.  I feel sorry for them, and their followers.  But especially them as each person that goes to hell because of them will increase their sorrow if they are in or go to Hell or in Purgatory if they are so fortunate.  But this would mean their ignorance which they prefer to imagine does not mitigate actually help those who condemn ignorance as something impossible or meaningless, not taken into account by God despite the lack of culpability.  
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