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Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?

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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2017, 11:18:16 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 22, 2017, 10:56:38 AM
You asked the wrong question, moran.  Question is whether someone in a state of sanctifying grace can die in that state and not (eventually, if after Purgatory) attain the Beatific Vision.
Wrong again professional dingbat.  
Feeney believed that one could be justified and not saved.  One who dies justified dies in a state of sanctifying grace and there is no possible eternal abode for him but heaven.  The Feeneyites deny this.  The feeneyites are wrong.  Other lay modernist feeneyites deny Feeney's teach above and claim that Trent itself was wrong . . .  er a . . . taught the opposite of what it taught.  They lose either way.  
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2017, 11:48:02 AM »
Much better said.
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 22, 2017, 10:54:42 AM
Ask St. Joseph and St. John the Baptist; they can tell you.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2017, 11:49:46 AM »
Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 22, 2017, 11:48:02 AM
Much better said.
Or
Refute the following:

Feeney believed that one could be justified and not saved.  One who dies justified dies in a state of sanctifying grace and there is no possible eternal abode for him but heaven.  The Feeneyites deny this.  The feeneyites are wrong.  Other lay modernist feeneyites deny Feeney's teach above and claim that Trent itself was wrong . . .  er a . . . taught the opposite of what it taught.  They lose either way.  
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2017, 11:52:42 AM »
Which you so carefully deliver in an info-dumpster.

Fool me once… mea culpa.

out.
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 22, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
It seemed you were going to say something intelligent and I was excited to be able to actually talk with you. 

But then if I post from an encyclical  or any authoritative docuмent and make no other comment "bad".  Well. . . because . . . I posted it. 

Magnificent combination of balderdash and rubbish on stilts on top of a very tall building.   :cheers:
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2017, 11:57:40 AM »
Another gem from Lover of Sophism…
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 21, 2017, 11:41:50 AM
Only one person voted as Feeney would the rest of the feeneyites have to pretend that Trent did not teach that one could be justified by desire for the Sacrament.
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