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Offline Augustinus

Re: Trinity/Incarnation vs. Rewarder God: Which is more likely to be correct?
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2017, 11:13:24 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 31, 2017, 07:56:01 AM
Not inherently, obviously, or by divine law.  But the reason for the Church law which specifies that all acts of the authentic Magisterium must appear here ... is precisely to avoid spurious or fraudulent garbage from being attributed to the Magisterium.  All signs are that SH was just such a fraud.  WHY would the Holy See fail to include this in AAS?
I do think it is suspicious if it is correctly attributed to the express will of Pope Pius XII.
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Offline BumphreyHogart

Re: Trinity/Incarnation vs. Rewarder God: Which is more likely to be correct?
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2017, 11:56:13 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 31, 2017, 07:59:03 AM
bosco and Nado are rather silent about the question posed in this thread.  That's quite telling.

Laszlo, do you understand that your question inherently reveals that you admit that the position that is less likely is still probable?

How can something that you admit is possible be against previously defined solemn dogma? 

That would be making you publicly calling into doubt a previously defined dogma if you admit a possibility against it!
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Offline Cantarella

Re: Trinity/Incarnation vs. Rewarder God: Which is more likely to be correct?
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2017, 12:13:46 PM »
Even Msgr. Fenton agrees that the Faith necessary for salvation must be explicit in 4 points: the existence of God, He being a Rewarder, the Incarnation of Our Lord, and the Holy Trinity.

From his work The Meaning of the Church Necessity for Salvation, 1951:

"Likewise, and by force of the very content of Catholic theology, it is standard scholastic teaching that the votum or desire of entering the Catholic Church may be merely implicit and still sufficient to bring a man “within” the Church so as to make his salvation possible. Salvific faith must be explicit on four points. No man can believe in God as he must believe in order to possess the life of sanctifying grace without distinctly acknowledging the existence of God as the Head of the supernatural order, the fact that God thus rewards the good and punishes evil, the mystery of the Blessed Trinity, and the mystery of the Incarnation. The mystery of the Catholic Church is not one of these facts which must be believed explicitly in salvific faith."
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Trinity/Incarnation vs. Rewarder God: Which is more likely to be correct?
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2017, 12:19:43 PM »
Quote from: BumphreyHogart on March 31, 2017, 11:56:13 AM
Laszlo, do you understand that your question inherently reveals that you admit that the position that is less likely is still probable?


Complete dodge.  I'm not interested in this conclusion of yours (which doesn't necessarily follow).  You draw this from the fact that the A opinion exists out there and the Church has not explicitly condemned it.  That doesn't make it probable.

Answer the question.  Based on the support above for each position, which is more likely to be true?

Also, it's simple logic that one of these is false.  Consequently, the Church would have tolerated AT LEAST ONE FALSE theological position ... which you claim is impossible.
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